October 27, 2011

Here Comes The Songwriter Revolution

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By Jeff Price

An artist’s copyrights should be respected.  The choice to charge or give away his or her creations should be up to the artist, and the artist alone.

When you cut through all the press releases and rhetoric of the RIAA, it boils down to getting the legally required licenses and paying the people (or entities) that control the copyrights to the songs and recordings. I could not agree more.

One of the many problems I have with the RIAA is not their supporting this fundamental principle, but their tactics and blatant disregard for anyone who is not one of their members.  Suing grandma and college students is probably not the best idea.  Pretending the world has not changed and everything should stay the same makes no sense.  In addition, in many cases their positions and actions stifle revenue while slowing the growth and consumption of music. But what gets me most upset is this:

The RIAA wraps itself in a flag of respecting and paying copyright holders, both principles I adamantly agree with.  However, as they sue, lobby, and legislate to assure the rightful copyright holders get paid, the members that make up the RIAA knowingly take hundreds of millions of dollars of other people’s copyright money.

Here’s how they do it:

Each time a song is downloaded, streamed, or publicly performed, the songwriter is owed a separate royalty. In 2009, of the more than €7.152 billion earned globally by songwriters (about $10 billion U.S.), 95% of the songwriters did not get their cut because: (a) the places that had their money didn’t know whose it was, or (b) the places that had the money DID know whose it was, but made it impossible for the rightful owner (earner?) to collect it. When the rightful owner does not pick up this money, it’s given to Sony, Warner Bros, Universal, EMI and others based on their market share.  These leading music companies, and the entities that give the money to them, know full well this is not their money, but they take it anyway.

Is it deliberate?  No. When the old industry created a byzantine labyrinth loaded with archaic, and now out-of-date rules, they had no idea of what the future would bring.  They certainly didn’t predict it would legally funnel them hundreds of millions of dollars of other peoples’ copyright money.  But this is the end result, and they are abundantly aware of it.  Sadly, there is absolutely no legal reason for them to change the system (and since when did morals count?).

Why are the world’s songwriters not in an uproar?  Two reasons: (1) Knowledge.  Copyright rules and laws are complex and boring.  Many do not know they earned money, let alone know that it’s just sitting out there in the world waiting for them to collect.  (2) Lack of transparency.  No one tells songwriters the complete story; where their money is, how it flows, and, most importantly, how much they should expect to be paid each and every time their song is downloaded or streamed anywhere in the world.

There are no more excuses for this.

In the old music industry, lack of transparency came from literally not knowing.  For example, you could know how many CDs you shipped, but you could not know how many of them sold.  In today’s digital music industry, the only reason you don’t know something is because someone is choosing not to tell you—I can assure you they have the information.

So, songwriters are kept in the dark, rates are not disclosed, roadblocks are created to stop people from being able to get to their money, condescending “experts” pat the artist on the head and tell him or her to just focus on writing music and don’t worry yourself with this confusing “business” part of the industry.  The end result: songwriters’ pockets are picked without their even knowing.

As just one example, in addition to the $200 million dollars TuneCore customers earned from the sale of the recording of their songs, there is another separate $50 million or so dollars they earned but did not get.

At some point something’s got to give—you can’t expect to take 95% of the world’s songwriters’ money and not have someone finally do something about it.

On Wednesday, November 2nd, 2011, the change will come…

-Jeff

October 27, 2011 · 113 comments in Jeff's Postings,Music Publishing & Copyright,The Industry

  • Sullyboynyc

    How can one find out if money is owed to one??

  • Tiziano Demaria

    let say: you’re right and I fully agree with you.
    Now please: explain me WHY YOUTUBE doesn’t pay a PENNY?
    If I publish a video or a song in YouTUBE, made by me, I don’t earn a fraction of cent!
    The same with Facebook!

    Is that LEGAL ?

  • Professor Pooch

    I’m with You on this, Jeff… You’re dead on… I see where you’re heading, and I’m very interested in it…

    Professor PoochMusic Business ConsultantEducator, Author & AdvisorMusic Legal & Contract Specialistwww.professorpooch.com

  • steven

     youre the one sharing it so yea its legal, they dont have to pay you at all.

  • Hillbilly Culture

    Yes, Jeff! This article is an important step toward empowering songwriters with the knowledge needed to correct the current system of music monetization. I represent a global community of like minded songwriters who are seeking to restructure the “business as usual” to reflect fair trade practices and respect the creators of content. Your article is proof that we have chosen the correct means of digital distribution for our music. -Amanda Williams, Owner Hillbilly Culture.

  • Tiziano Demaria

    Hi Steven

    as far as I’ve seen, they don’t pay neither if another one publishes my video as well.
    Ok I can pursuite him/her. Anyhow when I did (sending a registered letter in US) they replied me they couldn’t remove the video, they suggested me to “have a talk” to who published them.

    YouTUBE in any case: doesn’t pay …

    P.S. At the end, knowing that the music environment is jsut a jungle (due who is managing these channels), I avoided to “impose” to remove the video. It’s usless. It is like to loose a war.

  • Jonny Neves

    Wow! FInally someone’s blowing the whistle! Please do that Jeff! I’m a songwriter who actually KNOWS that I’ve been ripped off by this indie label in the UK. I know for a fact I’ve sold enough copies of my single to get some money from, but they refuse to give it to me. SInce they used a US distributor I can’t do anything about it because the UK laws don’t apply to it. These criminals know what they’re doing! Let’s put a stop to that!

  • TA

    Ive been trying to figure out for a while why Youtube would take down songs i post that I wrote or produced on a major label artist, when the “labe” making the claim doesnt OWN 100% the copyright.

    The just own the actual recording..how does that work?

  • http://www.openpotion.com Jason Hull

    So how will this be rectified?

  • Swzoo777

    whats happening on nov 2nd?

  • Don

    I’d just like to know how to pay a writer if I sell a recording of me performing one of his/her songs. Do you try to contact them directly? I want to do the right thing, and I’ve tried to find out how to do so, but everything seems to be so complicated.

  • Elvis Lloyd Carden

    Elvis L Carden here I finly get money from BMI but its like 6.50 I’ve cut 8 CD lp wrote most of the songs paid out allot of money and time sent them all overf the world nedeap in playlist but the money has never got here so I hope we can put the preasure on them to do the wright thing thanks Elvis L Carden Music BMI http://www.ElvisCarden.com

  • http://twitter.com/jimguittard Jim Guittard

    What’s happening on November 2nd?  An occupy music industry?

  • http://www.facebook.com/JOBMUSICPRO Jorge Barreiro

    Great article Jeff, It would be great if you get into some action here.  You’ve got the knowledge, the energy and if you have the will, I guess it could be a good business to you and great service to our community (The song writers)
    Thank you,

    Jorge

  • http://www.facebook.com/omalleydp Dennis O’Malley

    What change is going to happen? A new law? A new service from Tunecore? be more speciic!

  • http://www.facebook.com/omalleydp Dennis O’Malley

    Contact the writer’s Performing Rights Organization  (PRO). Its usually either ASCAP or BMI. Tell them you have royalties to pay. The PRO pays the songwriter directly.

  • Mark

    please excuse my ignorance but what happens on November 2nd?

  • KISOUND

    get a good cd og your song, a music lawer, and you are in, i made 640,000.00 last year on 3 songs….
    kisound@msn,com     a boomer, it is comming back my dear writers and players,

    GOOD LUCK
    SONGS ARE NEEDED SO BAD OUT THERE IT’S CRAZY…..

  • Mike

    I like this article but it’s funny how when a criminal ends up with some money that doesn’t belong to him or her, the suspicion falls, but when it’s tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, and people in suits, with degrees from Harvard and Yale, oh well, I’m so certain it was not intentional, of course not. Such a notion is of course absolutely laughable in a world that is in the midst of a cultural and societal revolution (forwards towards more liberty and justice one is to hope) that has been caused by these lofty do gooders in suits sitting atop the towers of the world, dealing out justice, derivatives, revolving door politics, writing legislation, stealing the rights of the people and doing all kinds of nefarious, sometimes evil, wicked and downright dastardly things to people all over the world, with impunity – all with degrees from places like Stanford, and Harvard, and Yale. So for me, when I hear that it “just so happens” that after all has been said and done, all these millions of dollars have just “happened” to fall into their pockets, as a result of legislation / rules and other paper based misery they have created themselves, excuse me if I don’t err on the side of suspicion, and of *not* giving them the benefit of the doubt. 

  • Mike

    “Steal a little and they throw you in jail. Steal a lot and they make you a king.” Bob Dylan.

  • Mike

    I tried to get a video using my music without permission removed – it was like talking to a brick wall. I notice when you’re a big company, s**t gets done for you.

  • Paulproudlove

    tell me more whats in it “for me” O.K.

  • Jack Barakitis

    “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” – Buckminster Fuller

  • Jack Barakitis

    “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” – Buckminster Fuller

    Thank you Jeff for taking this on. Innovation is the key to ending bureaucracy.

    Jack

  • Nathan

    Very Harold Camping-ish.

  • Nathan

    Very Harold Camping-ish.

  • Nathan

    Very Harold Camping-ish.

  • Kochgeorge21

    1 HAVE 2 Songs put on over 400 Radio Stations and  a Year has gone by–no Royalties–I was told the rule about Royalties is this!–Since 1940–They go into the Radio Stations 2 times a Year and if your Song isnt playing that day–you get no Royalty–Strange!–The People who told me this are suppose to be Christians!–LampMusic.com–Kim Glover1–She is afraid some one is going to tell on Her!–I am only sharing what was said and happened to my Time with a Publisher–Kim has the voice of Guilt!–I wonder why!

  • http://twitter.com/RXLD1 Colin Peter Palmer

    Consult an Oracle or two. Those are the only people in world honest and God-fearing enough to devulge that. I was made homeless for merely attempting to collect my royalties. We`re talking 15 years now! That was my only crime. Fighting for that which was owed to me.All records of releases were destroyed as well. May the good Lord fuck `em all one day soon!

  • http://twitter.com/daveowensmusic Dave Owens

    Mike, my question for you is this: Why would you want it removed? If Youtube’s not paying anyone…what are you losing? The person who posted it isn’t gaining any monetary value from it and unless it’s derogatory to your music, the person who uploaded it is obviously a fan and wants to share it. I’d consider that free advertising!

    Youtube is not a “public performance” when it’s being viewed in someone’s home or being sent around for others to check out. It’s like when they were trying to say that downloading a song is “public performance.” What the?

    There has to be a balance between what is “shared” and what is owed to the writers, but call me crazy…I’m terribly thankful when people share my music with others. That gets more people out to my shows, buying albums (yes, BUYING them), t-shirts, and most importantly – sharing the experience of music with me. How is Youtube any different than going to someone’s house and everyone sitting around listening to music together? What about non-profit radio like college stations? They don’t pay PRO fees but you can still listen to my music on them. Seriously, should we start charging personal homes PRO costs because they’re “publicly”  listening to their music with the windows open?

    On the other hand, if there are ads on your song that someone else posted up and they’re getting the kickback – yep, that’s when it’s an issue.

  • http://twitter.com/daveowensmusic Dave Owens

    GREAT quote! There’s also a saying something to the affect of that kings were just the smarter criminals…hence the henchmen surrounding them and why there are so many rules such as bowing and kneeling when they were approached – it was so they knew you were at a disadvantage if you decided to attack. Just a thought…

  • http://twitter.com/daveowensmusic Dave Owens

    Did you do distribution through TuneCore? Have you signed any licensing agreements with any networks? Cash is pretty minimal when it comes to radio alone. You have to expand your playing field.

  • OSRICK THORNE

    DEAR SIR,

    YOU REALLY BLESSED ME WITH THIS ARTICLE-AND I AGREE TOTALLY WITH YOU ON THIS SUBJECT.
    I AM A MEMBER OF PRS FOR MUSIC (LONDON) ENGLAND-YET, ALTHOUGH I HAVE HAD MY CD ALBUM TRACKS- PLAYED IN EVERY CONTINENT- AND ON NO LESS THAN 500 RADIO STATIONS (WORLDWIDE) FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS NOW- PRS HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEY COULD ONLY TRACK 3 RADIO STATION AIRPLAYS OF MY MUSIC-DESPITE PRODUCING HARD EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT WHATEVER I HAVE SAID TO THEM- OVER AND OVER AGAIN-THEY WOULD NOT BUDGE OR CO-OPERATE

    SIR, I FINALLY GOT SO MAD WITH THEM NOT DOING THEIR JOB- THAT I WROTE TO BOTH THE CHAIRMAN AND THE CEO OF THE PRS ORGANISATION IN AN EFFORT TO RECTIFY THIS ON-GOING AND APPALLING INJUSTICE.LAST MONTH THEY AT LAST SENT ME A ROYALYTY- FOR -GUESS WHAT ? A SUM OF £30.CAN YOU BELIEVE IT ?

    SIR, I AM A MEMBER OF NCM (NEW CHRISTIAN MUSIC) AND MY MUSIC HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY ON COMPILATION CDs ALONGSIDE SUCH LUMINARIES AS DIONNE WARWICK, ROBIN MARK, NICOLE C MULLEN AND JESSY DIXON ETC. THE IRONY LAY IN THE FACT THAT MY SONGS HAVE BEEN OUT PERFORMING THEIRS.ALL MY SONGS  HAVE HIT TOP 3  PLACINGS IN ALL OF THE RADIO AIR PLAY CHART.
    SIR, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU- FOR LIFTING THE LID OFF THIS INTERNATIONAL ROBBERY/ DISADVANTAGE BEING DONE TO HARD WORKING AND PATIENT- INTELLECTUAL RIGHTS HOLDERS. OUR TALENTS MUST BE REWARDED AND RESPECTED.
    FINALLY, SIR…WHAT WILL CHANGE THIS UNFAIR SYTEM I.E. COME NOVEMBER  2ND THIS YEAR 2011 ? AND SECONDLY- HOW DO I RECOVER THE VAST AMOUNT OF ROYALTY EARNINGS-STILL OWED TO ME-YET SEEMINGLY LOST AND NEEDING TO BE FOUND  ( ASAP) ?
     THANK YOU IN ADVANCE OF YOUR CO-OPERATION/REPLY.
    GOD BLESS YOU SIR
    YOURS FAITHFULLY.
    OSRICK THORNE (THE OSRICK BAND)  GOOD NEWS SONGS LABEL

    P S

    BY THE WAY-THE AFOREMENTIONED ALBUM- IS NOW AVAILABLE (WORLDWIDE) FOR ON LINE TRACKS PURCHASE- YOU CAN BUY IT ON :

     ITUNES,  AMAZON MP3, NOKIA,  RHAPSODY,  E MUSIC, NAPSTER ETC.

    THE ALBUM IS TITLED: “NOTHING BUT THE CROSS AND A HEART FOR GOD”    BY: “THE OSRICK BAND”  ( A GOOD NEWS SONG PRODUCTION )
    O T

     

  • http://twitter.com/persimew Lisa Marie Gabriel

    PRS for Music tends to be disregarded. What makes it worse is having to pursue unknown performers and broadcasters for unnotified performances. They simply do not report and how can you claim what you know nothing about? Jango is just as guilty of not paying songwriters as anyone else. I presume they pay BMI and ASCAP members because this goes in the advertising but when I recently queried about PRS for Music (the UK equivalent) I was told they are using the money to help Jango artists and improve their service rather than play for plays. Not good enough, is it, Jeff….

  • Markjetex46

    right on i have known this all along, But like u said every time i would say something , they would not tell me or push me away,, lets do it.

  • Jack Reno

    Go and stick a gun in their mouth and watch how quickly they hand over what you are owed plus a nice little bonus…

  • Aldenkimbrell

    Is that you Jeff?

  • Darren Brine

    KISOUND can you contact me ASAP about moving some Shit Hot songs.

    Cheers Mate

    Darren

    darrenbrine@gmail.com

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IL2DB5W2FLYUBH2BDCZ463AF34 Aurelio

    Bery good infomation 

  • Stephenjenkins

    just finished reading the copie right law on this issue. thanks for putting this info. out there.
    will be waiting for Nov.2 posting 

  • http://www.facebook.com/andyalper Andrew Marshall Alper

    how do I protect my songs

  • Tankerfa

    my sound ‘oh lotta oh” was a hit over sees. however i never recieved royalties from amiestreet

  • Marc White

    Hey Jack, it’s Marco, the sax player you worked with in the Bedrockers in Haverhill, MA.  Your point is absolutely spot on.  The current establishment doesn’t want to let go of the gravy train.  How do you go about protecting your own rights to music you create besides keeping it to yourself?

  • Marc White

    Who did you use for an attorney?  I would be interested in making even half that amount.

  • Jeff

    LOL.  Love the idea!  Announcement coming on Nov 2nd…. jeff

  • Jeff

    @facebook-721583001:disqus 
    thank you for the kind words.  TuneCore built the megaphone, but all of you are the voice.  Its a damn loud one that can change thins!
    jeff

  • Jeff

    its is complicated.  Try this service - http://www.songclearance.com/

    jeff

  • Jeff

    I’m doing my best.  My goal, get songwriters and artists back more of their money more quickly with transparency and an audit trail.  And do it without asking to own your copyrights

    jeff

  • Jeff

    nope.  You are required to be paid a reproduction royalty and a pubic performance royalty each and every time your song is streamed in a video

  • Jeff

    did you use TuneCore?  If so, I can see what we can do!
    jeff

  • Jeff

    major industry changing announcement from TuneCore
    jeff

  • Jeff

    announcement coming on Nov 2nd with all the details
    jeff

  • Jeff

    announcement coming on Nov 2nd that answers this
    jeff

  • Neil Mckinlay

    This has been a major problem for a long time and it would be amazing if reform could happen. With todays technology it is really possible. Nemos 

  • 46brigade

    Jeff,
    You are my new hero! If you can pull this off for songwriters globally you will be the muse’s new Steve Jobs. Good luck with all your efforts.

    Craig

  • Fetter339

    Thanks for the insight Jeff – Sounds like it’s time to kick ass and take names!

  • http://www.youtube.com/whistlersbrother Whistling Dave Santucci

    As a musician who is on YouTube and very familiar with how things go over there, I have to point out a couple things.  For the most part, I agree with you — it’s free advertising, assuming the pirate uploader at least gave credit for the music.  And most small independent artists would be happy about that under most circumstances.

    BUT — There are many reasons a copyright owner might not want someone using their creation even if that person isn’t making any money on it.

    1.  The artist might not approve of the context in which their creation is used.  Imagine you’re a devout Atheist and you write & record a beautiful song that someone then uses in a religious video designed to brainwash people into giving their lives to Jesus or Muhammad or one of those guys.  Your music is now being used to accomplish something you fundamentally disagree with.  (Fortunately, it is your right as the copyright holder to control how your creation is used.)

    2.  The unauthorized publisher might publish a poor quality recording that makes your great song sound like crap.

    3.  The unauthorized publisher might not play the whole song, or might chop it up and remix it in a way that detracts from your creation or in a way that you otherwise just don’t like.  Personally I would rather someone not use my music at all than use a piece of my song or create a remix that I end up not liking.

    These are just a few examples, and there are probably many more I can’t think of at this moment.  But the bottom line is, the copyright holder legally has the right to control when and how their creation is used, and everyone has their own reasons for liking it or not liking it when someone violates their copyright.

  • http://www.youtube.com/whistlersbrother Whistling Dave Santucci

    YouTube WILL pay you if you apply (and get approved) for their YouTube Partner Program.  They will put ads on your videos and you’ll earn a few pennies every time someone clicks on one of the ads.  Go to http://www.youtube.com/partners  to learn more.

  • Tiffrandol

    curiosity peaked

  • Dilipkumar

    Thank you so much fo informing and writing this article. As a song writer, I am interetsed in exactly the sort of information you brought to light ! I have written songs which I think are quite interesting, but have never released any of them as I don’t have a clue where to start and how to protect my own work. As such theu remain in my archives and not to the world at large !
    So what happens from here on as your article seems to have ended with another feature in the future ? Do you mean we should wait for more news and info from you after 02.11.2011 ? Please enlighten us further, we look forward to hearing more on this subject from you. In the meantime, much appreciated, thanks and best regards.

    Dilipkumar ( Song writer )

  • Alfred Earl.

    Hi, Star Tune Records  have put out my album on Amazon and Itunes about a year ago and up to today
    I have not received a cent for it.
    Thank you.
    Alfred Earl

  • Donald

    i’m an R&B and Hip Hop songrwiter and i think 4 sure u right on that…so we need to do something urgently,
    i’m not good speaker of english but i can do extraordinary things on a beat…any if someone need my works just contact me on my email
    donalddimasdaniel@yahoo.com.br

  • http://twitter.com/TerribleTibor Andrew T. Halmay

    When you have your neighbors’ mail delivered to you, you know the mailman isn’t reliable and you have no way of knowing if he’s delivering your mail to other folks who just throw it out.  I’ve had that sense about the licensing agencies for fifty years.  Their systems are not reliable. I had Tibor Music Publishing on 57th St., in NY and had a song out titled “Joey” which went nowhere. Teddy Powell, the old bandleader, had TeePee Music in the same building.  I got royalties intended for him on a song titled Joey-Joey.  Here we had the same address, two songs with similar titles and even two publishing companies with slightly similar names. It’s understandable.  But when you get a song that is heard every 15 minutes on air and you get pennies in performance royalties you know something is wrong.

    Google is a great detective. I’ve recently checked on old songs of mine and found they had been included in albums with never a dime to me.  One of these with Lillian Briggs recorded on Sunbeam in ’58 is now uploaded by four different people on YouTube.  In the U.K., Amazon is selling downloads on it like i-tunes and in auctions it has been getting hundreds of dollars – one went for $304 – and I haven’t had a statement in over 40 years.  I’m getting some lawyers and maybe I’ll hire some mobsters, too, who break legs and leave horses’ heads in people’s beds.

  • Uji

    Hi guies,
    I’m a songwriter from Italy and my impression is that in the last time I’ m doing my best results with the streaming, don’t you think it ‘s going better than the sales ?It could be the future …
    Uji

  • AQUAJACK117

    JEFF
      HOW WILL ONE KNOW OR BE ABLE TO BE CONTACTED ON NOV 2ND?

  • Jonny Neves

    Yes I can’t wait to get ahold of what’s owed to me, my single ‘Let it Go’ was on the itunes charts for over a year and I still haven’t seen a single penny for it!

  • Jonny Neves

    Lol funnilly enuff that did cross my mind but in the end ‘revenge tastes better when it’s served cold’. Veeeerrry cold. They’ll get what’s coming to them and I won’t even have to get my hands dirty…

  • Jonny Neves

    Yes I can’t wait to get ahold of what’s owed to me, my single
    ‘Let it Go’ was on the itunes charts for over a year and I still haven’t
    seen a single penny for it!

  • http://www.claudemichael.com Claude Michael

    I always knew it was cut throat..like anything else dealing with money and more of it..but this is horrible. This is why with today’s technology I refuse to surrender so much of my production before educational myself more. This is the very reason successful people are broke..lack of applying knowledge and discipline ourselves to educating ourselves and others. Thanks to all who are sharing their experiences and knowledge. I hope you are able to receive compensation for all of your loss.

  • Kayte

    Very true–there is an organization called PPL in London that is sending us a large artist check in December backdating 6 years on some of the biggest hits ever recorded.  We consulted an intellectual rights attorney for 1 hr and off we went making phone calls OURSELVES and claiming our money.  Next–we are taking our evidence to Sound Exchange.  I personally have never been paid a penny but have had plenty of airplay as a writer and an artist (charted last year on the Americana Charts) and they owe me $ for streaming my music–some of it even comes up in their database. “We” (my partner and I) have something in a TV series and get BMI checks, but it must be streaming, too?  I can’t wait to find out about more places to collect past due royalties from.  You GO Jeff!

  • G2f Productions

    i agree with donald.  g2fproductions@yahoo.com

  • BrentLabasan

    So why didn’t you say that in the article? Why are you confusing people with such a vague ending sentence for the article?

  • http://www.facebook.com/TogzUndercover Toggo Ultrarock

    Damn, talk about a cliff hanger! Looking forward to hearing what you have to say on Nov 2nd, Jeff.♫♫

  • steve

    I can’t find this answer anywhere on the web:

    I’m with ASCAP, my writing partner with BMI…can only one of us register the song with one PRO?  Or can we each register the song with both PROs?
    Appreciate any insight on this.

  • Time West

    how did you do that.

  • time west

    how you get that on there.

  • timewest

    how you do that ?

  • http://www.bighproductions.net Bighproductions

    Hey Steve – Both writers register with their respective PRO.  If you’re both with the same PRO, then you can just register it once, putting both writers on that one registration.

  • Bpolhemus

    I have been after ASCAP for years trying to collect my songwriting funds-They never comply or lead me in this direction or that. I finally received a small Royalty Check from Sound Exchange for a Cover song form out 1965 Album
    Bobby of the Teemates

  • Pete

    We’re with you Jeff! With so many other things happening each and every day, it’s pretty easy to forget to remember to keep tuning in and checking what’s owed, so any system that can do that for us will be a blessing to all artists. Looking fwd to hearing more. 

  • Y2toned

    looking forward to it

  • Phoenix

    The sad thing for someone in my case is I’ve been writing with “B” and “C” class artist like The Ying Yang Twins and Jagged Edge and their not getting recognition worthy of 640k…how do you get in the door with the “A” class artist of today? It may be a stupid question for you due to your experience and I hope you’re optimistic enough to know there are enough artist in the industry for more songwriters to come aboard (not trying to take anyone’s place here!) I haven’t been properly paid for the ton of songs I’ve done with some of those guys to even worry about taking on big fish like Universal!!

  • Len Bryant

    It’s about time something was done. It is so terrible the way that musicians and songwriters money is just taken from them. I will be waiting to see what happens on  November 2nd.

    Len from Philly

  • 46brigade

    Great story KISound. What were the 3 songs called?

  • R-olen/Ashcroft

     as a songwriter. i’ve seen larp dementions fly in to the  realms of others song’s spheres.
     money you earn is only relitive to one ‘s self’s worth. use your self earned self esteem, as the gender a margin
     to your self happiness. use your postive energies, to manafest  only true happiness.
     Peace,                                                                     R////ashcroft+++++++++>>>>>

  • Hmunster3

    nice thoughts but nice thouights won’t put a roof over your head or food in your stomach but being paid your just due royalties for your work, will

    Love & Peace

  • http://www.passionhero.com Theseamusic

    Back when I was a satellite antenna design engineer Jack, one of our clients gave us pins to wear with a dog lifting its leg to mark its territory with the slogan: “Truth and Technology will Overcome Bullshit and Bureaucracy.” 

    Since then, I left that career because I realized that an hourly wage doesn’t compare with getting some kind of percentage for creative endeavors… living in LA kind of helped encourage that perspective… so now I play percussion, have authored a dozen eBooks for Kindle and Nook eReaders and have relied on an entrepreneurial spirit with the slogans: “Think smarter, not harder.” and “Nothing gets done unless I do it.”

    Y’all can find me at http://www.PassionHero.com where another slogan of mine is: “Go out and be a Passion Hero… at times, use words.”

    Blessings,
    Brian Shell

  • http://www.passionhero.com Theseamusic

    Back when I was a satellite antenna design engineer Jack, one of our clients gave us pins to wear with a dog lifting its leg to mark its territory with the slogan: “Truth and Technology will Overcome Bullshit and Bureaucracy.” 

    Since then, I left that career because I realized that an hourly wage doesn’t compare with getting some kind of percentage for creative endeavors… living in LA kind of helped encourage that perspective… so now I play percussion, have authored a dozen eBooks for Kindle and Nook eReaders and have relied on an entrepreneurial spirit with the slogans: “Think smarter, not harder.” and “Nothing gets done unless I do it.”

    Y’all can find me at http://www.PassionHero.com where another slogan of mine is: “Go out and be a Passion Hero… at times, use words.”

    Blessings,
    Brian Shell

  • http://www.passionhero.com Theseamusic

    Back when I was a satellite antenna design engineer Jack, one of our clients gave us pins to wear with a dog lifting its leg to mark its territory with the slogan: “Truth and Technology will Overcome Bullshit and Bureaucracy.” 

    Since then, I left that career because I realized that an hourly wage doesn’t compare with getting some kind of percentage for creative endeavors… living in LA kind of helped encourage that perspective… so now I play percussion, have authored a dozen eBooks for Kindle and Nook eReaders and have relied on an entrepreneurial spirit with the slogans: “Think smarter, not harder.” and “Nothing gets done unless I do it.”

    Y’all can find me at http://www.PassionHero.com where another slogan of mine is: “Go out and be a Passion Hero… at times, use words.”

    Blessings,
    Brian Shell

  • http://twitter.com/daveowensmusic Dave Owens

    I understand your points…but I also think they’re all quite egocentric. Even the “huge” artists know that once they release the music, it’s no longer theirs. It’s the listeners’. How many times have you listened to a song for years and it had it’s own special meaning to you…only to find out later that the song had nothing to do with what you thought it did? Most of the brilliant moments in musical history are based on accidents and myths.

    A great example of that is the Rob Thomas song “3 AM.” Most people thought it was about some strung out girlfriend or other drug induced type romantic relationship. It was actually written about his mother’s battle with cancer when he was young. Powerful, right?

    I’d hate to see my music representing something other than what it was intended for – especially if it was some sort of bigot, hateful message. At the same time, anyone who thinks they can control their music once it’s released is living in a fantasy world. I guess if it was being used in a way that the artist was just completely against, they do have rights and can go after them with full justification…but just bc it’s a low quality recording or something along those lines – who cares? A great song is a great song, regardless of it’s fidelity. Also, if a song was recorded properly, dropping the sampling rate isn’t going to effect it that much.

    Hey, some people are in it to make cash and I get that. I’m in it to share the power of human emotional connectivity through the music…which in turn is paying my bills right now. If those people want to share it with their friends in a way that I’m not living in the streets over…I’m ok with that. 

    P.S. I fully understand that I’m in the minority with my mindset…but I do share that with a few other artists who’ve done pretty well for themselves – primarily Dave Matthews (and band) and Phish. They’re album and ticket sales aren’t too shabby.

  • http://twitter.com/daveowensmusic Dave Owens

    Do you know if it’s actually sold any copies? Did you sign anything with them? Did they pay to record and distribute it? If it’s a typical label contract, you may not see any monetary benefits from it until they recoup whatever it cost to make. There are so many factors that go into this that most artists don’t understand.

  • http://twitter.com/mworsh michael worsham

    you are right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lorenzo-Melendez/100000801243070 Lorenzo Melendez

    I Hope this madness of rip composers, writers and making music. Most of you don’t see any royalties will come to a stop in the Industry and local pirates>What do we have copyrights for?and Ascap B.M.I.?1.Out Harlem Larry G.

  • Jonny Neves

    how do u mean?

  • Zilla Montoute

    First, what is happening on November 2nd – the change will come? for how much!

    Right now I am having difficulty understanding how much I am being paid for downloads and streaming.
    The Maths is not right and I am checking that out.  Before I put out another piece of music a massive amount of education about this business must come in, and right now I do not feel comfortable, with the knowledge I have so  I am willing to learn.  Something aint Kosher.

  • Alfred Earl.

    Hi Dave, Thank you for you answer. I had produced the demos with Paramount Song .Com, so I got a letter from them asking to pay $150 to master each song and then put it out on Amazon and Itunes
    so I paid $ 1550/- for 9 songs etc etc. and up to now not a cent.
    Please tell me what should I do.
    Thanks and best regards.
    Alfred Earl

  • cary hall

    I feel the song writing revolution is a good storted for the music industry becaue you have to songwriter to have a good songs

  • http://www.amberrecordsllc.com Tony

    With the power of more artist joining tunecore (who is fighting for our money to get to us) I believe that this push will be successful. The model is in place. Let’s do it Jeff. Let’s fight and WIN. NO MORE EXCUSES

  • http://twitter.com/daveowensmusic Dave Owens

    Alfred, this business can be sticky when you’re not connecting with the right people for the job. In this case, I assume there was no record label involved, correct? It sounds like you paid for the recording and mastering of the music? After they were recorded, you then paid them to distribute it out to iTunes, etc? Do I have all of this correct? If this IS the case, then you should own your music 100% and be able to demand a record of sales from the company.

    I can log into my acct with TuneCore and see exactly how many times my music was bought, streamed, etc.

    If it were me, I’d contact them (Paramount) immediately, let them know you’d like to remove your music from their services and then resubmit the music to TuneCore for distribution. It might take awhile to get it all processed but in the end, it could quite literally pay off if you’re doing the leg work behind it. Most artists forget a crucial element of releasing an album…the marketing!

  • M7biiblog

    We are digital and issue is easily solveable. You pay for a copy right frequency imprint which is attached to your recordings in all mixes. Playlist scan and transmit play count and post report to your virtual bank account and submits invoicing for remittance of payment as failure to comply is federal theft of services by traditional & digital copyright laws. Your imprint is an algorhithm never to ne duplicated. Your official name & social security & dl# are encrypted in the algorhithm. You maintain a virtual will for all descendants of immediates to external as a trust & savings account only for all royalty earnings of original production & plays.
    Albums, singles, EP’s & ringtones, artwork (digital) are all protected ownership.
    All broadcasting must report promptly or pay fines of equal caliber to loss combined wages of playlists

    Artist are now responsible to properly report earnings as income & can opt percentage to donate 3 charities which helps in taxes. Artist create a self employment application which is attached to an expense ledger which breaks down all purchases and keeps on file for reporting taxes.
    Low income to High income artist have taken back the rights to freedom of expression & expense plus established the New Ownership Thinking Alliance Retail Entertainment Experience designed to monetarily protect the design and function of integral art & expression.
    Charles Williams 817-264-7554

  • Anonymous

    @m7biiblog

    are you certain you want your phone number on this blog?

    i can remove if you like

    jeff

  • Plawlornaas

    Thank you Jeff, for all your pertinant articles. I am a songwriter/singer and know I have been ripped so many times. I live in Ireland presently, and am quietly trying to get to the truth, with the help of some friends in the ‘legal’ business. Thank you,
    Peter

  • Anonymous

    thank you for the words of encouragement and support.

    WIthout you, we would not exist.

    Now onto the next step, getting you your money!

    jeff

  • Trevor

    good article,,,, could I use parts if it for reference,,,,, credit will be given,,,, TAE – music publisher

  • Somewhat Disgusted

    I’ve been receiving royalties ion a continuing basis from views of YouTube productions that employ our music. By the year 2015 I expect to have received enough $$ to be able to purchase a Big Mac with fries.

  • bagga

    what should we do to make a change,to all this money going missing, baga

  • Blaqmel

    Brian thank you much for that statement i would love to talk music with you , you can reach me at blamel@yahoo.com that will also help you find  my facebook page (Melvin McKnight Blaqmel) peace and blessings!!!

  • http://www.allaspectsuk.co.uk/location/west-midlands/coventry/boarding-glazing.asp rachel

    In the old music industry, lack of transparency came from literally not knowing.I really like the concept of this post and I feel that this is a very unique and rare information that you have managed to compile. It is quite interesting to read about this very rare topic.

  • Samuel Ekeh

    Mind is a question. I like to know how i can benefit from this offer

    Samuel Ekeh

  • http://twitter.com/JamDungEnt JamDungEntertainment

    I am with you on this Jeff. I am some what new to the industry, been studying music business for the past two and a half years and it hurt me to see how artist/songwriter are ripped off. I hope to effect some change, with like minded people like yourself Jeff.

  • GOODNEWSSONGS

    I HAVE BEEN TOLD OF THIS NEW TUNECORE SERVICE-WHICH WAS SUPPOSE TO START SINCE 02/11/2011.HOWEVER, ALTHOUGH I MADE AN ENQUIRY TO JOIN UP (ASAP)-IN ORDER TO HAVE MY ROYALTIES TRACKED AND COLLECTED WORLD WIDE -I HAVE HAD NO REPLY.
    CAN SOMEBODY AT TUNECORE CONTACT ME AND GIVE ME THE DETAILS OF THIS GREAT NEW SERVICE?PLEASE.
    I CURRENTLY HAVE MY CD OUT (VIA TUNECORE) AND AVAILABLE ON  ITUNES , AMAZON MP3 AND NAPSTER ETC.ETC. TITLED:
     ”NOTHING BUT THE CROSS AND A HEART FOR GO0D “  BY THE OSRICK BAND.GO CHECK IT OUT.

  • Songwriters

    Just go to tunecore.com/songwriters and you can get started there.

  • http://www.rackmountsales.com/Rackmount_Monitor_s/52.htm Rack Mount Monitor

    Eventually, the goal most likely is to get a percentage of people to buy
    something from you or listening your songs on regular bases. As part of your
    Dashboard, you should have a column of songs, performances, and
    responses.  This will help you see patterns.  It may be that some of
    the songs that people don’t respond to well at first begin to elicit positive
    responses over time; in other words, people need to hear these songs a few
    times before they connect.  This information will help you create better
    set lists.

     

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