July 7, 2011

How They Legally Steal Your Money

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By Jeff Price

Here’s some news – the old school music industry has found a way to get your money – they actually steal it.

In the last 26 months, TuneCore Artists sold over 370 million units of their recordings and earned over $140 million dollars in gross music sales. There is another $100+ MILLION dollars earned by TuneCore Songwriters in mechanical and public performance royalties out there in the world waiting to be collected.

This money, YOUR money, is sitting with global performing rights and other copyright collection organizations.  If the rightful owner of this money (meaning you) does not collect it, every penny of it is given to Warner, Sony, EMI, Universal and other entities.

The old guards were smart enough to actually lobby and create a shadow industry with these global copyright organizations to circumvent copyright law and funnel your money back to them.  The industry even gave this money a quaint and mysterious name – “Black Box Money” – money that sits, unmonitored by governments, uncollected by the rightful owner, watched by the watchmen until, after some random period of time, it’s handed by these global copyright collection organizations to Warner, EMI, Universal, Sony and others based on their “market share.”

Yes, you read that correctly, they are taking your money.  Whether you want to or not, you work for them.

And for those who could not find “legal” ways to take your money, they just outright steal it.

As TorrentFreak reported, on Friday, July 1st, 2011:

…more than 50 police, tax officials and staff from Spain’s Audit Office were involved in Operation Saga, the culmination of a two-year investigation into the dealings of Spanish music rights and anti-piracy groups SGAE and SDAE.

The complaint alleges that SGAE operatives set up companies and used revenue destined for artists to generate profit for themselves and their families, and that money bound for artists living abroad was diverted to personal Swiss bank accounts.”

These absolute bastards.  And you think things like this are not happening elsewhere around the world?  They are.

So now we have two types of thieves – the ones that legally steal your money and the ones that illegally steal your money.

It’s inherent in the system, it’s morally wrong, it makes me sick, and it’s time to change it.   In addition to all the other usual TuneCore things, this year we are creating and building a system on behalf of TuneCore Artists and Songwriters to get you every penny, or fraction of penny, of your money from anywhere it sits around the world.

Think we can’t do it?  We can. They said we couldn’t do it with distribution and we did.  Now we have the transparency to see what’s going on behind closed doors, as well as the power of hundreds of thousands of you behind us to make certain this change occurs.

Want an example?  If you write a song you get six legal copyrights.  One of the six is called “reproduction.”  This means each time your song is reproduced (meaning downloaded, manufactured onto a CD or vinyl, streamed on the internet, etc…), the songwriter must be paid a royalty called a “mechanical royalty.”

In the United States, if the song is under five minutes, the mechanical royalty is $0.091 per reproduction (a little less than a dime).  If it’s over five minutes the royalty rate comes from a formula based on the number of minutes of the song. In the United States, if a song is bought and downloaded from iTunes, the “mechanical royalty” money is paid to the label and the label is supposed to pay the songwriter.  (If you are not the record label, good luck getting accurate accounting.)

Outside of the United States, the mechanical royalty rate is a percentage of the sale price of a download.  Your mechanical royalty money from a paid download or stream is given to a copyright organization called a “Performing Rights Organization” (also known as a PRO) or a mechanical royalty collection agency.  There it sits until you show up to get it. And if you don’t show up, the major music companies get your money legally handed to them and they get to keep it.   That’s how they built the system: archaic, byzantine, complicated and mysterious. How else could they get away with it?

Don’t feel bad if you didn’t know this money existed, most people don’t.  They are counting on you to not understand the rules.  Copyright law is complex and not exactly a general topic of conversation. Hell, most managers and some lawyers don’t even know this stuff.  But the bottom line is this, unless you are a member of these collection organizations, or in a relationship with a collection organization that is in a relationship with this other collection organization, no one contacts you to tell you they have money for you.

And if you are aware of the rules around the six legal copyrights and know for certain that you are owed money, some of these copyright collection organizations make it next to impossible for you to get it.  For example, ever sell or stream a song in Japan?  Your mechanical royalty money is sitting with the Japanese PRO called JASRAC.  Want to get it from JASRAC? Here’s an excerpt from an email they sent us when we asked how to join:

“JASRAC membership (requires) a base of activity in Japan (company registration, contact address, phone number and bank account in Japan) among other requirements.”

“…among other requirements”?  Want to explain what those are instead of just letting us guess?  You are sitting on our money after all.

To get JASRAC to give you your money, not only do you need to have “ a base of activity in Japan,” but you also must not already be affiliated with any other PRO anywhere in the world – this includes the three U.S. PRO’s: ASCAP, BMI and SESAC.  Oh, and by the way, ASCAP, BMI and SESAC don’t collect mechanical royalties – they collect something else called Public Performance Royalties. You think this is confusing?  It is.  And these confusing laws and rules, combined with the old industry setting up an infrastructure to take advantage of it are what get you screwed.

How in the world do you know you are being cheated if you can’t understand or read the instructions!

This pisses me off. IT’S YOUR MONEY!  Once again we have a bunch of worldwide bullies taking advantage of artists.

I started this company with the mission of making the world better for musicians and giving them a voice.  With your help, we were able to change distribution.  Now we are going to do it again. We’re going get this money for you and put it into your pockets.  And if they say no (which they legally can’t) or if they try to screw around, we will sue them.  Hell or high water, we are going to get your existing and future money.

You can bet on it.

July 7, 2011 · 190 comments in Jeff's Postings,Music Publishing & Copyright,The Industry

  • Kirkeby4

    Great post Mr. Price. It’s well written and contains a great action imperative. One, around which you explain the dilemma clearly. Thanks.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BNWVUCQ3YTPQHKIIYA3KN3IYXU jonboy

    How about creating a closed system. More money for tunecore, more money for the artist. To top that of, make distributors pre sign agreements of non interference or opt out clauses with sesac, bmi, ascap etc. These were set up by the record company’s and are not relevant anymore. Then its direct to artist. Tune Core and CD baby represent so much feed that they would have to comply.   

  • Salef

    Thank God someone with guts is doing something worthwhile that benefits everyone for the greater good!
    I commend you!

    Sal – Electric Frankenstein

  • Mdsoward

    Thanks for the info guys…

  • Calilove

    And Tunecore made over 250 million in the last 3 years? And keeps our royalties sitting in their account for 60 days. What is the Interest on 140 million dollars Where is THAT money sitting?
    Please, you are all as bad as each other. 

  • Laura

    Brilliant Jeff! I’m a 100% with you on this. Please make a provision for artists like myself who are already dealing with the PRS Alliance in the UK and not seeing much income (if any) from itunes japan etc. And if I may be of ANY assistance, please get in touch!

    Thank you on behalf on everybody for being on the case, for being honest and for doing something to redress this mess!

    Laura B

  • http://twitter.com/ClassicJigga John Epperson

    Well, Tunecore Players have Donate Buttons on them to help out…So don’t give up, yet.

  • http://twitter.com/gopalo PALO!

    I’ve been ranting about the inequalities of performance and mechanical royalty distributions for years. The current “system” is actually a government approved form of copyright infringement and theft. The majors get our money. They control the PROs, Harry Fox, etc. So of course they’re happy with the current situation.

    There are more of us “real independents” than there are major companies, yet we have no seat at the table. We need leadership and resources. Imagine if every indie musician tossed in a few bucks. That might buy some real lobbying power.

    Let me know what I can do to support your efforts.

  • Anonymous

    @ calilvoe

    First, I have to assume you are not a TuneCore Artist, as, if you were, there is no way you would have made something like this up that is just dead wrong and posted it on our blog.

    As every TuneCore Artist knows, when money is paid out by the stores it goes directly into your TuneCore accounts where you can instantly withdraw it via EFT direct deposit, PayPal or have a check mailed.

    And the moment we get your accounting we email you directly to tell you it’s there.

    Why would you come to our blog and make things up like this? I truly am sorry if someone did this to you in the past, but that’s the old industry

    the new industry is transparency and access

    Don’t believe me? Tell you what, try us, and if the experience is not exactly as I described I will make your distribution free.

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    LOL

  • http://twitter.com/Duplicuts Duplicuts

    My jaw literally kept creeping lower and lower as I read this. I understand the ‘argument’ over a music listener not having an ideal distribution model and resorting to illegally downloading the music in order to obtain it. It’s still wrong, but I get it. However, THIS!?! I used to be one to bash blindly the labels. Then I not only self-released some material, but also released other artists material. And in the process I was able to see some of the costs and most of energies and resources needed, just to professionally release an album, let alone have it gain some measure of tangible success. But to LITERALLY take a working class musician’s (which is what I would think make up a healthy portion of TuneCore members) money!?! I have absolutely NO words for that. No words.

  • Anonymous

    @duplicuts

    i had the exact same reaction. I spent the last year learning about this organizations, copyright law, payments and so on. It was like peeling back layers of an onion. Only when I got to the core, it was rotten.

    Im still trying to figure out how this is legal. But they did it.

    It really is time to change things. Its the collective power of all of you that will allow this to happen. You are the “voice”, TuneCore is the megaphone that allows all of you to get heard

    jeff

  • Hotfish1

    To me (here in London, England) the rant above seems just that – rant. Surely composers are registered (in the US with BMI or ASCAP) and in the UK with PRS/MCPS, and so forth. If composers have NOT registered their compositions, that is their own fault. If a sopng or songs WERE registered, but the composer dies, and therefore do NOT renew his or her ((annual) membership, then royal;ties are NOT collected. Likewise if living composers do not renew, royalties again, are not collected. Can the originator of this subject cite and substantiate with any specific examples? I’d be interested to know…

  • kinamlo

    Really? You’re going to equate holding money for a finite amount of time to blatantly hiding and ultimately stealing it? Even if your accusation is true, Tunecore’s process would still be much fairer to artists than those sketchy businesses.

  • Chriss Floren

    Thank u for wanting tO help us the Artists, songwriter & producers that r indiependet

  • Anonymous

    @hotfish

    thank you for the post. Let me start with mechanical royalties – if a song of yours is streamed, downloaded or “reproduced” outside of your country, the royalty is paid to the local collection agency. This royalty is called a “mechanical royalty” That agency does NOT give it to your PRO. It just sits there. If you dont get it, after a period of time it gets given to others.

    TuneCore Artists sold over 370 million songs in the past few years. Each one of those generated a mechanical royalty. Tens of millions of those sales were outside of the US. They money is just sitting there.

    Second, many songwriters do not affiliate with a PRO. And the PROs work for the publisher,not the songwriter. Article about that can be found here – http://blog.tunecore.com/2011/06/public-performance-anxiety.html

    This means if there music was played publicly, they are owed money. Music services pay “blanket licenses” to PROs for public performances. Therefore, the PRO gets your money. If you do not register with them, they keep your money and hand it to others.

    In just 2010, YouTube had over 300 billion streams of videos with music in them. The majority of the songs in those videos are not affiliated with a PRO

    I also disagree that a songwriter should be held hostage and told if you want your money you must sign up with a PRO. PROs work for the songwriter, not the other way around. And with the digital world, there is no excuse for not paying the songwriter. Thus the reason I am getting into this.

    jeff

  • Alias2u2

    Hotfish 1 response got it right. Whoever wrote the blog-piece rant purposely wanted to create hate, not just inform. Yes, be sure to collect your publishing Royalties. But please stop spreading unjustified tech hate and illegal downloading against the creative community. More Roylaties have been stolen by illegal downloaders and their tech facilitators.

  • Q fortune

    As the head of an indie label I agree 100%!! it’s like trying to find Bigfoot when trying to track our $ down. Now I have to find someone in Japan who can collect our $ lol sigh

  • Seanwestman

    This is just a small piece of the pie that’s missing. Pirating music is a much larger issue then this. When new music hits the web you might as well kiss 3/4 of your money good bye. The amount of people downloading music for free cannot even be calculated. The amount of people sharing files cannot even be calculated. Have you been to a live concert lately? iPhones have replaced lighters in the crowd. You only have to change a song a very minimal amount to reproduce it as your own song. The battle for the artists rights cannot be won. It can be fought and as a result be costly and that takes not only an investment of money but also an incredible amount of time. I don’t care which company says they can protect you. The truth is if you want to be an artist in this age of information sharing you better plan on loosing you butt off. The days of big record deals are dwindling fast.

  • Flecha

    Thanks for everything , Jeff. I’m in the process of finishing our first cd. I’m interested in Tunecore taking care of everything regarding collection of royalties as you’ve been telling us about lately. Any timeframe?

  • Flecha

    Thanks for everything , Jeff. I’m in the process of finishing our first cd. I’m interested in Tunecore taking care of everything regarding collection of royalties as you’ve been telling us about lately. Any timeframe?

  • joseph green grindsman,

    i need every penny that i work for to support my family am in 100 percent,

  • Amani smith

    this isnt a rant you make absolute sense…. and i appreciate you showing soo much passion…because people like us dot “like” music we love this….so again thank you 

  • Anonymous

    it would be privilege to get it for you, its the reason we exist

  • Writchart

    Excellent work!And I thank you for your care of Talents.I have been a musician and songwriter for 40 plus years and have been exploited through the entire time in a variety of ways.Thanks again for your help.Richard Beckholt

  • Anonymous

    thank you for taking the time to read it
    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @sal

    First, I absolutely love Electric Frankenstein. You guys kick butt.

    Thank you very much for taking the time to read the article, it would be a privilege to go out into the world and get you your money.

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    you are welcome.

    more as we get it.

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @Laura

    We only have the power to change things with your voice. It would be a privilege to be able to work for you. Thank you for your offer, we might very well take you up on it.

    Jeff

  • Dan

    If you are an independent artist not affiliated with any label, where does this money go to?

  • Johnophean

    I am a disabled musician who lives off selling my belongings I saved for my whole life to get and now have to get rid of.  I joined Tunecore in April and released my album w/ Tunecore everywhere on the internet and also had CD’s duplicated from Tunecore as well.
    I am still waiting for my 1st releases Sales and $$$ to come in which I need very badly.  
    Every day I get closer and closer to eviction and being homeless again and it will only get worse.  
    Just reading this makes me wanna puke even more!
    I realize more of what I already knew…The Rich keep getting Richer, and the Poor keep getting Poorer…PERIOD!   That’s the way they set it up and that’s the way they want to keep it.  F*CK that! 
    And then they wonder why people go nuts and steal and kill to stay alive…right? It’s like the friggin depression around here, now only instead of the old depression of people doing it with “hard” items it’s all “soft” based BS now – (aka – through a computer).  It’s like we live in a Matrix within a Matrix and makes me wish I just grew up to become a carpenter or plumber instead of a musician.
    Either way, they will always want a piece of the working man’s Proverbial PIE!  
    You’ve made a great post today TC and I am proud to be a member, now go and KEEP me staying proud! 
    Get em Tunecore, I’m behind this cause 100% !!!!

  • Johnophean

    Oh yeah, and all my works and records are registered with BMI and they all have been Copywrited through the United States Copyright Office and I have all the paperwork and legal documents w/ all the registartion numbers. – If that helps get back lost $$, I will give you what you need. =)

  • Anonymous

    @PALO!

    I could not agree more. Hopefully this is the start of providing all of you a voice to help crack this open, provide transparency and get you your money.

    In 2009, the global PRO and mechanical royalty collections system brought in over $9 billion dollars. Its going to take a lot to move the mountain

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @PALO!

    I could not agree more. Hopefully this is the start of providing all of you a voice to help crack this open, provide transparency and get you your money.

    In 2009, the global PRO and mechanical royalty collections system brought in over $9 billion dollars. Its going to take a lot to move the mountain

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @kinamlo

    thank you for replying. I do not know why this person just made this stuff up.

    jeff

  • http://www.facebook.com/molasses.jones Molasses Jones

    Jeff, If you could please get in touch with me. I have co-written major hits and am looking to collect a nice fat royalty check. However, I have yet to make contact with any holders of the copyright so that I may be added, the issue maybe discussed, etc. Can you offer any suggestions?? THESE WERE MAJOR HITS!! I’ve written lots about it online, have made many many calls, and have basically been given the run around.
    For background here’s my story: http://www.myspace.com/sweetmolassesjones/blog/512698349
    Please contact me via email: molassesjones11@gmail.com THANKS!

  • Anonymous

    @chriss

    you are welcome. thank you for allowing me to represent and work with you.

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @alias2u2

    I wish i was wrong, I truly do. These songwriter’s money is not making it back to them. it’s well over $100 million dollars and its dead wrong

    Am I angry, you bet I am. Perhaps you missed the most recent new article about the PRO in Spain being raided by the police for literally stealing and embezzling money from songwriters?

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @q Fortune

    We can do it for you. I was lucky enough to have artists choose to use TuneCore. To quote Spidey’s Uncle Ben, “With great power comes great responsibility”

    It is our responsibility to represent and work for you. If we ever forget that, we lose.

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @Seanwestman

    I agree. All artists should be able to control their copyrights and make their own decision on if they want to sell their music or give it away for free.

    I wish I could wave a wand and stop pirating for those artists that want it stopped, I cant. So I am going to do the best I can for artists and at the very least go out into the world and get their money

    the good news is, I suspect with Spotify and iMatch launching in the US, pirating may very well go down.

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @amani

    thank you for the kind words. and you are very welcome.

    jeff

  • Bigjohnbates

    Yeah my band – big john bates – is on http://www.torrent.eu showing 20,000 downloads of my CDs and DVDs. Not entirely awesome. When I sent the site to the label that released my last album they said “well, you can hope they show up at your concerts …”  The music business is in a state of flux and although you can send out a cease and desist (and most of these sites do respond) there’s gotta to be a better way.  

  • Anonymous

    @writchart

    you are very welcome. You, and others like you, are the new music industry. There is no doubt about it

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @dan

    by default, you are the label. but this money has to do with the person who wrote the song – songwriters are paid more money as required by law.

    it ties into the six copyrights you get when you create a song – more on that can be read here

    http://www.tunecore.com/copyright

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @Johnophean

    you are the reason i started TuneCore. I cannot promise you that your music will sell, but I can promise you I can put it into iTunes, Amazon etc and make sure its available to be bought.

    And when it does sell, I can make certain you get every single penny of the money

    I can now also make certain that if you have money out there as a songwriter, I will get that for you as well.

    Without you, all of you, we have no power. The power of “you” allows us to change this system

    jeff

  • Vintagecode

    Yes, f*ck the power, but how?

  • Anonymous

    @vintagecode

    well, i believe all of “you” are the new music industry

    I have been given the opportunity to work for you, and i intend to.

    TuneCore will work for you, go out into the world representing hundreds of thousands of you and there is no way that can be ignored

    We will be launching the new service shortly

    jeff

  • Les Fradkin

    ASCAP told me that you must pass 250,000 plays for them to pay on any video associated with ASCAP. How ridiculous is that?

  • Anonymous

    @les

    its beyond ridiculous. The law is, if any entity wants to publicly perform your song it must get a public performance license to do so. It is the PROs job to hand your money to you, not matter how small it may be.

    A public performance is a public performance, period, end of story. We have now built a system that can get this money to you. The new service is launching shortly

    jeff

  • Martingibson

    Must be working for Pro!

  • Anonymous

    LOL

  • guest

    after about 2 months on itunes, we just got our sales report in. It was for a little over 7 dollars. I know for a fact we sold more than that. I suppose now I know why.

  • Russo Kapito

    It would be good. I not against that “tunecore” has incurred these obligations for %. From other country it is difficult to musician to trace royalty. Also it would be good if who that was engaged in this business.

  • Les Fradkin

    All my compositions are registered with ASCAP dating back, as far as August 1970. I have only, ever, been paid for ONE of those 100 compositions. And, of course, I have ample evidence that many others have been performed. I have over 570,000 plays on My Space and can’t get paid on them. I have over 50,000 video plays on YouTube and can’t get paid for them. I have 60+ Internet radio stations that regularly feature my music and can’t get paid for them. And all those specific compositions are registered with ASCAP. So this ISN’T a rant, Sir. I applaud Jeff’s efforts to correct this state of affairs.

  • Anonymous

    @les

    If you are game, I would love to take a stab at seeing what money is out there and getting it for you

    Seems like you have the info we would need

    jeff

  • sunfly

    We all know it to be fact and i whole heartedly agree with this statement so maybe there will be a solution found by a real musicians hero at Tunecore.

  • Nustarrmusic1

    THIS IS WHY I CREATED http://www.nustarrmusic.com go NOW!!! performers, song owners, producers, ALL MUSICIANS WHO OWN THEIR SONGS, CREATE YOUR FREE ACCOUNT UNTIL THE SITE FINISH IT’S DEVELOPMENT http://www.nustarrmusic.com The new store coming for you …only $4o per mth and if you sell 10,000 copies the money is yours…singles or full Cd”s YOU ARE YOUR OWN RECORD LABLE …NO DEPENDING ON NOBODY…I HAD 5 SINGLE DOWNLOADS AT 99CENTS YESTERDAY AND THE EMAIL THAT CAME SAID $4.95 ADDED TO YOUR ACCOUNT….NOTHING TAKEN OUT …CONTROL YOUR SH&% PEOPLE GO GET YOUR MONEY, REGISTER HERE TO JOIN THE SITE LATER….www.nustarrmusic.com somebody has to run the site so thats where your 40 goes, what you make goes in your pocket, then collect your royalties from other sources that play your music…This is an independent site to sell your music freely.

  • Les Fradkin

    Yes Jeff, I’m game. And I do have the info you’ll need, more than you could imagine. Email me off list at lfradkin@mac.com and we arrange a time to talk.

  • Michael Cavano

    Yikes! Is “hell or HIGH WATER” really an appropriate phrase when talking about getting money from a Japanese company?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=584532709 Elaine Lally

    I’m not an artist (though maybe one day I will be), but a fan of independent music. I love what tunecore is doing and would love to be able to support what you’re doing in some way. I live in Australia and am sick of the way that the rights organisations and big music businesses have partitioned up the world. We can only shop in our own iTunes store, we can’t access streaming services like turntable/spotify without being in the US, and the whole system of rights seems quite absurd and unworkable. Surely the whole system should be geared towards connecting artists with fans, and these days that means creating a global marketplace where that can happen. 

  • Anonymous

    now stop that…

  • Bpolhemus

    I too am a Songwriter and Artist registered with ASCAP. By registering and becoming a member I thought I would be compensated for my works Each time I go to my account I see ZERO???
    THE exclusive distribution I have with an Australian Label however collects all the monies from downloads on a 40 them 60 me split. But its amazing how all of my 1965 recordings have been selected by reissue labels with none of my then band ever seeing a dime.

  • Anonymous

    @bpolhemus

    there are a lot of issues here. first is collection of your mechanical royalties, ASCAP does not do this. This money just sits there unless you are able to get it. If you cant, they give it to others

    Then there are public performance royalties – this is what ASCAP collects and administers

    Finally, the label makes money off the recording of the song, but not the song itself

    bottom line is we can help. just let us know!

    jeff

  • Ruejorda

    Thanks for this information and your efforts

  • Anonymous

    you are very welcome

    jeff

  • Archer Tadayoshi

    I have only made 2 sales of my songs in the past 2 years, so this doesn’t apply to me.

  • DAHN B

    Truthfully speaking Les, it’s just another transparent variation of a “PRO” (whom without the work of artist’s would be unemployed) sayin’ we ain’t gonna pay you !!

    DAHN B

  • DAHN B

    They outright steal your money !  Try this one on for size….Buy multiple copies of your own Album, yet get no report of it or earnings from it……hahahahahaha That’s sick !!

    DAHN B

  • DAHN B

    Would you pleeeze put me on the list of first responders ?

    DAHN B

    ducktunes@sbcglobal.net

  • bbghoul

    awesome. and thanks

  • Les Fradkin

    Well, some songwriters are getting paid. But I assume they must be on Major labels with hits on Clear Channel stations. I’ve told ASCAP about my specific circumstances many times and they won’t even try to rectify this. So, I guess, when the crap hits the fan, they can’t say they didn’t know. That being said, I am my own Indie label, so I know which of my titles are selling and / or getting plays and streams and which aren’t. So they can’t BS me on this, can they? Recently, they told me that their “rule” was, that, if you posted a video YOURSELF on YouTube, they wouldn’t pay performances of that video, no matter how many plays and streams it received. Amazing, since ASCAP, themselves pushed thru the law thru Congress, so long ago and the law does not distinguish how titles are published and by whom.

  • Rmoondoggy

    I’m in!

  • Rmoondoggy

    I’m in!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W2HZMWPIHCEHCIJIOCKKHDVNQM blank

    Interesting.

  • Anonymous

    i suspect they challenge for them is being able to pay songwriters without losing money. they just dont have the efficiency to pay out lower amounts of money to a large number of artists. and to this point in time the liability is pretty low – that is, someone is not going to sue over $5

    the problem is, what if you have 50,000 songwriters, each owed $1 that are not paid. Individually, not a lot of liability, but together, its a big deal.

    not to mention i believe every artist should get every penny no matter how small

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    i cant speak as to why, but the digital stores have provisions in their agreements with their customers that state if a customer buys multiple copies of their own music it a violation of the terms of service with that store

    be wary! this will not move you up the charts and they will remove your music

    jeff

  • WTF!

    Jeff, you’re a Prince amongst thieves mate! Tunecore has changed the music industry for the better (and hence the world via the ripple effect)..its fat cats around the world (in all forms of corporate control) that have put us in the mess we are in globally..the only way to change this is to have great visionaries like yourself open the eyes of the people to their deceit, we cant change what we don’t know..so thank you for all your efforts so far and i am sure i speak for all writers around the world when i say “we are behind you all the way!”
    Tunecore…for a better world! (actions like this inspire people in all walks of life and be the catalyst to change…very exciting!)

    V: Would you like to dance?Evey Hammond: Now?! On the eve of your revolution?V: A revolution without dancing…is a revolution not worth having!
    S

  • Ernie

    Thank you TuneCore for going to bat for your “stable of artists.” Go get the robbers so we can get paid.  Right on!!!

  • Cousinotes

    It is difficult to stay passionate about making music and trying to recoup  expenses as a “true independent” when these types of practices are allowed to continue. I’ve spent my whole life developing my musical skills, only to be shut out at every turn. Tunecore remains a glimmer of hope. Despite the challenges I still make my living teaching, performing, and recording. It would sure be nice to be able to develop a revenue stream from performance royalties on recordings. That might inspire me to release more music sooner. I actually got a phone call from the U.K. from an artist who wanted permission to cover one of my songs live with his band, which I was happy to allow. He had to hear the song somehow. I have to assume it was at least streamed. I did sell a cd there too. Thanks to Tunecore.

  • Cruelty Free

    I am here to fight Goliath with you. Let’s get our money
    http://www.crueltyfreemusic.com

  • Michael Alexander

    I wonder if jeff could get my royalties for my 4,000,000 youtube views from one of my songs classical metal from my band Pergamum?  not including all the other copies out there?

    Michael Alexander

  • Terry Wheeler

    I’m very impressed with your determination, devotion and loyalty
    to the artist and even us lowly songwriters. Thank you.

  • Tony Ray

    Thanks for your in site & help Jeff!

  • 13 HANDS

    I love you… :) in the deepest, most respectful and musically platonic of ways…..
    Sincerely, Grammy nominee and indie/DIY, 13 HANDS

    When is new format coming?   I have a new single and video I’m preparing to release ready to go…Should I wait?
    Will the previous recordings distributed by you be updated to this new improved tracking system?

  • Anonymous

    @terry

    you’re welcome.

    I cannot stand bullies, seriously. They really upset me. This is what this is to me, an establishment taking advantage of people.

    Regardless of TuneCore, its how I run my life. Get involved, make a change, take a stand.

    Sometimes it works, other times it doesn’t, but at the very least I know I made a stand against something that was just dead wrong

  • Anonymous

    @13 hands

    its an absolute mutual respect. Lets face it, without you I have no career. I do not have the talent to create art and culture like you. By hiring TuneCore, you allow me to be part of a world that I otherwise would not be part of.

    I will forward your comment to Jamie – President TuneCore Publishing Administration – for him or his team to follow up with you directly on what we can do now to get your money and protect your songs.

    its why we hired and what he does better than most people in the world.

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @Cruelty Free

    I need the power of all of you allowing TuneCore to magnify your voice to do this. It sounds corny, but all of you are the new music industry. Together, you are more powerful than any of the majors.

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @Ernie

    You bet I will. I am hell bent on getting your money back to you

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @cousinotes

    First, how cool is that, to get a call from the UK form someone that wants to cover your song.

    My god that would make me feel good.

    From a business side, now there are two versions of your song making you money – your own recording and his recording. Each time either version of your song is sold, downloaded, streamed you are required to be paid.

    Now think about how many artists covered “Yesterday” by McCartney and re-read the above paragraph

    Welcome to the power of a song.

    Your music sold based on the quality of your art – it caused reaction. I simply created a way for you to place it on the shelves of the stores people go to buy it. I cant take credit for your music selling – only for making it available to be found when searched for in the music stores

    On another note, part of the service we are launching is not just getting your money but also protecting and licensing your songs.

    Would you like someone from TuneCore to contact you with more info?

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @WTF

    I ain’t nothing without you.

    Seriously, thank you for the trust and faith. I do not take it lightly and will not waste the opportunity all of you provide me to change this system.

    My biggest concern is a finding a way to get the info out – its boring, long and confusing as hell. But this is truly how you are left without power and are taken advantage of. I will do everything I can to explain this convoluted mess of an industry in hopes that the knowledge will empower and motivate.

  • Anonymous

    @michael

    there is bound to be something out there. I would love to give it a shot if you would allow us.

    In regards to YouTube, stay tuned for the announcement around the deal we did with them

    jeff

  • St Mark

    Isn’t Soundexchange designed to collect this “black box money” for us?

  • Anonymous

    @St Mark

    SoundExchange collects a whole different type of money from digital transmissions.

    This money goes to the performer and label, not the songwriter and comes from non-interactive DMCA compliant digital transmissions

    You can read more on that here – http://www.tunecore.com/guides/sixrights#7

    jeff

  • Henrylincoln

    Hello Jeff’
    I’m from the old school,i’ve had music in the UK and never been paid.PRS over there
    supposed too have collected my money and paid it to BMI which i am a member since
    the 80ths.BMI said they were never paid for radio,clubs or whatever.I signed with Tunecor
    more than 2 years ago,they distributed my music with companies i signed up with that
    they were offering all over seas and Tunecore said i had only made $4.00 and i never
    got that.With all of these other websites like Myspace and many more never got anything.
    Discogs Records are selling my music on the internet now,Several of my songs are on
    YouTube now and i didn’t give anyone premission to put my music on there.It goes on
    and on.If you can get back to me i will be grateful. My email is henrylincoln@yahoo.com

  • http://www.uacmusic.com Joe

    Molasses so glad I read this and your article on Myspace.At present myself and my partner have started a company .We have just recently completely rearranged what was initially supposed to be a remixes of  songs by some of the worlds top artists and it turns out our complete arrangements are the ones the companies are using on there video radio play etc etc. (We went through a trusted third party who is awakening themselves to the indusrty guff and attempting to rectify it)    like yourself maybe we put some faith and trust in other people.PEOPLE WAKE UP AS WE HAVE DONE THESE PEOPLE AT THE TOP WILL USE ABUSE AND TAKE ANYTHING THEY CAN GET OFF YOU THROUGH THIRD PARTIES THROUGH ANYTHING and dont be fooled that contracts and promises will help they wont in short enter into an agreement or just sit in a room with these people and they have you by the balls (If you pardon the punn) NOW we wont do anything for no one forget about the promise you will get your payment down the line SHOW ME THE MONEY HONEY is our new method no money we dont do the work end of story. I know this could close a lot of doors but we are not going to find in 5 or 10 years time that hits we have been part of making are not giving us a return with no mention of our name on anything either. Years of grind and pure hard work forget it man it’s not going to happen. Molasses did you ever sign an agreement or contract with these people? Not that it matters of course.I am behind you all the way my friend and believe you 100% please feel free to email me joseph.mcnally2@ntlworld.com

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/acdaperfecto AC Da’ Perfecto

    I’m Glad I Have Someone In My Corner Dat’z ON THA’ JOB!!!! LET’$ GET IT!!!!!

  • Paul Fleisher

    Boundee records distributed my third CD in Japan It sold 3000 copies . I own the record.and have refused to let them distribute it electronically.
      I found out that Boundee  had without my knowledge or permission, illegally encoded my CD with an ISRC code .Where’s my money?.
     This is my third jazz CD release in Japan. Jazrac has yet to pay me anything .  I live in Japan and my Co is registered here .

  • Anonymous

    did you write the songs?

    if so, JASRAC has mechanical royalty money waiting for you

  • Japreme Eloheem

    Thx.

  • Vintagecode

    Thanks Jeff, I am ready.

  • John Patsie of The Patsies

    Hear hear!
    Great Rant, it literally gave me shivers.

  • Les Fradkin

    And so the troops begin to mass…… More support please!

  • http://www.urbanicon.ning.com Urbanicon

    when will you roll out the music licensing programs that you mentioned in previous messages and videos?

  • Hannah Malls

    To jeff
    Thank you for all that you are doing for artists like myself and will continue to do.
    It sounds good but your business model for charging and annual fee for the storage of a song really needs to be reconsidered. I would much rather your company taking a small percentage of every sale and doing what your doing rather than me paying an annual fee. What happens when either a and artist has several singles and albums and has to pay 100′s apon 1000′s just to keep it up. And then what happens if an artist has records that no one wants to buy anymore and no profit is being made and yet you still pay an annual fee. Please do consider what I have said as o know millions of artists who feel the same way. I just want to tell you because I love and respect what you do so much.
    Thank you
    Hannah Malls

  • Nathan

    Correct me if I’m wrong but half the comments on this article aren’t even related. iTunes is sales, while what this article is talking about it actual performance royalties (radio play, etc)

  • Anonymous

    @nathan

    you are correct, this is about the other money songwriters are owed each time a song is streamed, downloaded or played

    jeff

  • Hannibal

    I completely get what your saying.
    Jeff is incredible in what he does and will continue to do but this is one error that needs to be corrected. I just can’t afford to pay that every year and as we release more and more things it all adds up. This is the only thing I would say is a negative of tunecore. But besides this, love tune core, love Jamie and I love jeff.

  • Christian Poynter

    I love you guys!
    Keep doing what you’re doing, I can’t tell you how much it means to artists like me

  • T Thegamblerhamilton

    I was in a band that seems to have been known all over the world ( See: The Human Expression, Wickipedia ) and though re release after re release has happened, no one in the band has ever received over $100.00 . What can be done to collect all back owed moneys?
                                                                                         Tom Hamilton

  • Hannibal

    So correct me if I’m wrong but I could contact all the PROS and ask them for my money and not have to pay a register fee like with bmi or acsap.

  • Anonymous

    @hannibal

    unfortunately not, as each PRO has its own rules around the requirements to join them.

    This is part of the reason others are able to get your money – they created structures to do what you just described.

    This is what TuneCore is building so we can do this for you

    jeff

  • Nathan

    There are two sides to this argument though. The % hurts more if you sell a lot of albums a year, the fee doesn’t hurt as much if you DON’T sell as many albums a year. Also I believe it does cost money to continue to renew albums for each digital partner.

  • Nathan

    When you co-wrote these songs did you sign an agreement, did you sign split-sheets for the % of royalties, did you do anything legal that said you would get this money?

  • Henrylee48

    where do I get my plow made in to a battle ax…I’ll sign up

  • Hannah Malls

    Ok. Thank you for replying to me. This is much appriciated.
    Let me just clarify that I’m am not arguing with you or disagreeing with you in any scence. I just want to know how everything works.
    If I have released 7 albums which spawned 24 singles and 10 ringtones. That adds up to a grand total Of $689.59 every year, then adding uP future projects, this is not as bad as a 9% or less cut from a 99 cent sale??
    Once again thank you for replying.

  • Hannibal

    Makes you really reconsider this whole business.
    it’s not about music anymore as we are seeing with the 360 deals and especially when you’re and indie artist, this is all so very hard and confusing. Thank you for all that yours company does for us and I speak on behalf as an indie culture when I say you have had a massive part in shaping our careers. Thank you!!

  • Anonymous

    @hannibal

    it does make you reconsider. But I would rather fight to change the system. I cant stand whats happening. And there are a hell of a lot more of you then them – we just need a way to channel the voice.

    Thank you thanking us. without you, we could not be part of this movement.

    jeff

  • The Grimm_Factor

    Truthfully, Hannah, if you’re releasing that much music, but are not getting paid for your product, then it is you that need to find a way to get more listeners to support and purchase your music. If I have the ability to record, mix, master, package, and distribute my music, then I should be selling that music as well. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a business putting product on the shelves just to see it not sell. If listeners are not buying or streaming your music, then you may need to reconnect with them in some way. TuneCore gives us so much information on how we can get people to listen, support, and buy our music, that I can’t believe any artist who is using this service won’t take advantage of all the free info they give us to make a lucrative career out of what we love to do. On top of that, companies like SoundExchange has free information detailing all of the internet, satellite, and digital stations that accept new music, play new music, and pay out royalties to SoundExchange for artists. Get on the ball or get out of the game. No reason to make all that music, distribute it, and not sell it. Does that make sense?

  • Patricia

     Thank you for what you do for us. I agree with Hannah Malls it would work better for all of us.. If
    a song does not sell no profit this would be the best way to go. The company should take a small
    percentage of every song. Yes, as we get more songs it would be hard to keep paying out.
    Please consider the small percentage on each song… go get them ad make things right for
    all of us who have music with you..

  • Hannah Malls

    Ok i understand that now. Thank you for getting back to me and putting it in a way that I can understand. I just think that it is all so stupid. I don’t understand why this is such a complicated buisiness.
    If a song was sold online on a website for free, would that take away what is being described here??
    Thank you very much xx
    Hannah

  • Les Fradkin

    Hannah, if you have records that no one wants to buy anymore, why not delete them to save the fee? It makes no sense to flog a dead horse….

  • Les Fradkin

    Hannah, I’ve released 35 titles from my Indie label. I’ve just started over here with several new releases at Tunecore after 7 years at CD Baby. I think the situation depends on the title and it’s commercial level of success. For a release that sells large quantities, Tunecore could offer a savings over CD Baby. But if you never sell many records, I could see how their yearly fee could be an negative for some struggling artists. That being said, I think it’s time you gave some thought as to how you could sell more records.

  • Les Fradkin

    Hannah, I’ll tell you what’s complicated- I tried to Google you to search for your music and nothing comes up under your name. Have you got any sort of link to provide so we can hear you?

  • Gerluz

    If you are a little guy in these days of the internet, your work is pretty much public domain by default.

    The precedent has already been set. Imagine that you are a photographer. Once you post an image on the internet it is gone. If it is good, people forward it to their friends, save it as wallpaper, etc. What’s more, giant internet corporations like Google take your work and show it out of context for anybody searching for certain image types. You don’t even get traffic to your own website and if you did not brand the image people don’t even know it’s source. Sorry kiddies, meta-tags are easily removed or changed, Same thing for the ID3 tags on your MP3 files… and if the song was captured during streaming they were never there to begin with.
    Google has done a similar thing with books in and out-of print, except they limit the amount of text you can read at any point of a work under copyright.

    YouTube, also owned by Google now, is doing a similar thing with your music. They are generating revenue for their shareholders from your content. 

    Have you posted or linked an audio file on facebook? Do you still think you control that file? Copyright, kapooey! Of course you know how easy it is to capture an audio stream on a computer. And then there are the giant future markets like China that don’t even acknowledge international copyright or trademarks.

    Sadly it is seeming like copyright only exists for Mickey Mouse and other corporate interests. Mickey is about to enter the public domain (again) in 2012. What are the odds that the copyright laws are going to get changed/extended again so that this property will remain in Disney control for perpetuity? are these changes going to give you as a little person more rights?

    A dark version of the future is some high-seat judge looking down at you as you make you claim for copyright infringement. “What,” they exclaim, “You produced your work in an infinitely reproducible, lossless medium and expected people to respect your rights?”

    Ouch.

    The creators and early promoters of the internet stressed that “Information wants/needs to be free.” When that information is our efforts as creators and artists it sends the message “Give up little people. If you want protection, be a member. Join your favorite corporate entity. Be a drone and contribute your life to the  corporate brand and we will assimilate your work and protect it as ours. Otherwise you and your efforts are but motes of dust drifting free in the data stream, free grist for our advertisers.”

    I support Jeff in his efforts to return to the freelance creators the just due for our work, and if he is successful and gets a commission for his effort it is well earned. Just let us know what we can do next?Who do we lobby?

  • Les Fradkin

    Elaine, having been in the music business for quite a long time, initially with the Majors, and now as an Indie, I can assure you that the Majors keep it complicated to keep Indies from being competitive. You just have to think smarter and more aggressively to stay up with the times. Jeff is endeavoring to give us that leg up. 

  • Les Fradkin

    Right you are! That being said, I’m very aggressive in protecting my intellectual property. It’s a battle, that’s for sure.

  • Hannah Malls

    Oh no I’m not doing anything yet. Currently I’m planning everything just tO understand it. That’s all.

  • Ameh martins

    Its an a better for some thing say,s good to ear.and may god and may the allah be with those that stand to fight for our sake. and like annah malls said about the annual fee.i felt amount of his saith.but for me since u people knew how to handle the an a schedule thank for that, and i personally need help for the payment if i try of my best and i could,t can.

  • Anonymous

    @hannah

    it is a complicated business. until this point in time there were a select few people that let artists in. Due to the few having access, there was not a need for the “masses” to be self-educated

    Pls take a moment to read this blog article written by George Howard on this very subject:

    http://blog.tunecore.com/2011/07/information-asymmetry-in-the-recorded-music-business.html

  • Anonymous

    @Gerluz

    Some very salient and interesting points in your post.

    Here’s my belief – there are more of you than “them”

    “You” are the new music industry. There is more music being bought, sold, streamed, downloaded, stolen today by more artists than at any point in history and yet the majors are releasing less music now than at any point in the past 15 years. So where is this music coming from? You.

    The legacy catalog of the music industry decreases in value over time (not as many people buying “rock around the clock” today as in 1960). Therefore all of you are the present and future of music

    As the market share shifts to you from them, and there is a way to have your voice be amplified, the rules will change.

    And the internet is the catalyst for change

    WIth the power of millions of “you” there is little that cannot be changed

    jeff

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Potter/508685204 Jesse Potter

    This is a very good article, like Joseph here, I am going to need all I can get to eek by as well. It’s sad that we artists are put in a position where we need to really spend a lot of time figuring this shit out. It would be really nice if we could just focus on the music and not all have to play lawyer. 

  • Les Fradkin

    Not having to “play lawyer” is what gets you screwed in the first place. With freedom, comes responsibility. With responsibility comes discipline. With discipline comes knowledge. After that, the money finds it’s way towards you.

  • Hannah malls

    Thanks Tunecore. I think I will sell music via my personal website and promote it that way as we are only a small team.
    Much love & respect
    Hannah xxxxx

  • Iris-som

    What do you mean. Don’t you get it if your partners with YouTube ??

  • Lassana

    Hello! Iam Dad MaeStro,from Mauritania (Africa), my question is: if i sell my music how can i get my money?

  • Les Fradkin

    Well Sir, if you give your music away, how do you expect to be paid for it?

  • Les Fradkin

    Here are just a few thoughts (IMHO) to get you thinking a little deeper regarding your “personal website” decision.

    How will the public find your website? Do you know how to exploit Google and other search engines to maximize your name in searches? How will you advertise yourself? Do you have a budget for advertising? Don’t quit your day job unless you’re prepared to do this full tilt.

    Try this video for some insight on this subject:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEWQ6P2XosM

    Do you have plans for a store front on your website with SSL security (so people can shop with confidence) and acceptance of credit cards (you have to apply to Visa for this) and, possibly charging sales tax (registering your store with your home state)?

    How about getting your affairs organized to protect yourself? For example, getting agreements in place with other team members, filing royalty reports (for other parties involved with the recordings), taxes, corporate trademarks (without a brand, you have no land), copyrights (costs money and must be filed for each SR aka Sound Recording and PA aka Song Copyright to protect your intellectual property) , UPC Bar Codes (you need these to sell anything), ISRC’s for each title (can’t track your individual titles without these) , registry with the Gracenote Database (how will you show up i iPods correctly without this?), business plans (you can’t get where you’re going if you don’t have a map to get there), Photography, Artwork, Graphics (your public image, these days, is everything), website design, etc? 

    If you need info on the ISRC:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Recording_Code

    Will you be forming a proper Music Publishing company and registering it as a corporation with your home state? Will you be forming a record label and registering it with your home state?  Will you be just a Digital Download Artist or will you also press CD’s? If so, thru whom?

    Who will produce your records? Where will you record them? Do you have budget to do this properly? What PRO will you join? How will you collect the money from them? How will you collect from foreign accountings? As you can see, there’s much more to this than just the “music”. There are over 500,000 Indie Artists. How will you stand out? 
    There are many folks out there with Indie marketing theories: Tim Sweeney, Chris Anderson, etc. Have you read their books? There might be some insight there for you.I found, back in the early 2000′s that trying to sell music from a personal website is a difficult proposition. There are only two criteria in this digital age for finding music in a search: the name of the artist and / or the name of the song. How do you propose to achieve this? You don’t need to be a big team to get worldwide digital distribution via Tunecore and you are much more likely to be “discovered” if your music is on iTunes, amazon, etc. Over 80% of all purchased digital downloads occur from those two. Distribution thru Tunecore helps you organize many of these problems around a one stop solution. That is what you pay for. The advertising, of course, would be up to you but you will have a very tough time winning any acceptance, unless your music can be found. Yes Hannah, I can hear you now – “why do I have to do all this stuff?” Because that is what it takes to do it right. As you can surmise, this business of music is just that- a business. Unless, of course, this will be, just a hobby for you. Just my $0.02.

  • Anonymous

    @jesse

    I hear you. On the other hand, I strongly urge you to take a moment to get the basics down. It’s important as without this info, how will you know if your lawyer/manager etc are doing their jobs right.

    These people all work for you – they are taking your songs, your art and handing over rights, negotiating for money etc. Its vital that as the creator, you know what it’s all about so they do not screw you over.

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @lassana

    If you use TuneCore to put your music into iTunes etc, then you would get the money from the sale of your recordings by logging into your TuneCore account and withdrawing it

    if you are the songwriter as well, the other money would be paid to copyright organizations and then you could choose to hire TuneCore to go and get it for you

    Jeff Price
    TuneCore
    646 651 1054 – ph
    http://www.tunecore.com
    jeff@tunecore.com

  • http://twitter.com/VinceMillett Vince Millett

    We’ve joined an organisation in the UK that collects/pays (allegedly) royalties for radio play. We’ve been played several times on the BBC and made sure beforehand that the specific tunes were registered and that we gave full details to the BBC. We’ve never received a penny or, indeed, a response when we’ve writtento rge relevant organisation  asking about it. In years past, we regularly received printouts from an American royalty organisation but because we are very small as artists, somehow our royalty was always just below a $20 threshold below which they didn’t pay. So we never got a penny from the US either. So, we’ve now gone Creative Commons with all our music, although I still want to be paid for radio plays from commercial stations. I’m not holding my breath.

  • Anonymous

    @vince

    this is exactly why we are launching this service.

    I would love to be given the opportunity to work for you and get your money back to you

    jeff

  • Lewis Fore

    I think PRO’s and collection agencies should be non-profit like ASCAP.

    Are ex-North American collection agencies non-profit?

  • Michael Alexander

    Wow awesome glad to here back Jeff I didn’t think you guys would have the time lol well you guys know my email address feel free to shoot me one :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/adampoewilson Adam Wilson

    preach it!!!!!  It burns me a new one to think that, even though my album, “Memories of You” didn’t sell (through no fault of my own… talk about NOT doing your homework, Dios mio… anyway, I know better now) I could still, through some slim possibility, have money sitting around somewhere.  I’m not currently  a member of ASCAP or the other guys, but now I know why I’d felt leary of joining one of them anyway:  we as artists get screwed!!!!

    You have a ton of my thoughts and prayers with you — that’s the only kind of support you’ll be able to get from me, unfortunately.

    STICK IT TO THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/JonathanJones_ Jonathan Jones

    Jeff I am a tunecore artist. Help me collect this “black box” money you speak of. I used to play in a somewhat relative indie pop bands(waking ashland, we shot the moon) and now have several solo albums(all of which are up on tunecore) Any light you could shed my way would be much appreciated. Also, I’ve been loving the Tunecore t-shirt. You’re the best! – Jonathan

  • Anonymous

    @les

    their rule is wrong. we can get your money from YouTube public performances

    I will have Jamie Purpora – President TuneCore Copyright Collection Administration get in contact with you

  • Marawa

    This is why some entities, like HFA, are proposing to consolidate certain rights (like synch and mechanicals) into one right. In an article I wrote in 2005, I proposed the same thing (a “Music Rights Organization”) because of the convoluted revenue system. I cannot tell you how many hours I spend on behalf of my clients working to get them the money that’s due to them. And I don’t always succeed right away – I have stories you would not (well, maybe you would) believe. Moreover, I have proposed time and again refining the Copyright Act in ways that would balance the competing interests of artists/songwriters obtaining the revenue they deserve for their creations and the creation of a non-threatening environment for users of copyrighted material. Thank you for writing this, Jeff, as this needs to come to light. 

  • Les Fradkin

    Thank you so much. While you’re at it, you should also take a look at the 600,000 plays on MySpace and the 30,000 plays on Jango Airplay.. I’m looking forward to hearing from Jaime.

  • Dick Emery

    Does Tunecore get an advance from companies like Spotify?

  • Dick Emery

    Does Tunecore get an advance from companies like Spotify?

  • Anonymous

    No it does not. And if it did, it would not be our money, it would be TuneCore Artist’s money.

    jeff

  • Anonymous

    No it does not. And if it did, it would not be our money, it would be TuneCore Artist’s money.

    jeff

  • Sam Bhattacharya

    Hannibal.  I recently registered with BMI.  It is free to register with them.

  • Radioactive X Girlfriend

    I would love to see TuneCore increase its marketshare significantly over the next year.

    One suggested strategy would be for TuneCore to deliberately increase their footprint and influence with artists worldwide by creating a revenue-sharing option, a fee-based option (currently offered), and a hybrid based on volume. There are other verticals that practice this (eg: Wireless, Online Advertising and Publishers) and perhaps you could benefit from some kind of yield management solution that would help increase TuneCore’s margin while helping artists increase their influence.

    Another idea, loosely based on the above, is that if TuneCore can significantly increase their member base (increase adoption) and not just the number of songs and releases, then you have significantly increased your lobbying power, and thus increase your leverage and influence in the industry.

    Of course there are different areas of focus once you’ve attained a heavier influence in the industry. TuneCore could focus on the new direction of the music industry thereby truly paving the new way for artists and audiences to connect. Another not-so-fun focus would be to try to change the hearts of sociopaths and get the music industry leaders to revoke their masonic oaths and fight them on their ground, which only serves to reinforce the idea that the old music world only needs to be altered. This is much in the same way that a tailor would take an avante garde dress from an insane fasion designer and make it into a nice men’s suit.

    If TuneCore can quadruple it’s memberbase with either a rev-share model or even have a tunecore-light version that’s rev-share then the memberbase could explode. Yes, there are issues with that such as letting  members participate that generate noise and static, but you could create filters and incentives around participation that encourages the behaviour that TuneCore desires from its members.

    Just some things to think about and perhaps exeute on.

    John

  • Anonymous

    @John

    you hit on a key point; “we” only succeed by becoming a collective voice. By allowing TuneCore to represent you, you provide the “voice” and market share to influence and cause change. The collective power of you is what will cause this shift. All of “You” together are greater culturally, monetarily and market share wise then all of “them” combined.

    My goal is to make the world better for musicians. And I hear you on your suggestion for a back-end model, but I just morally believe its wrong.

    And by the way, all those companies with a back-end model are screwing you worse than you realize

    Per the law, in the United States, each time a song is “reproduced” the songwriter is required to be paid $0.091 (a little less than a dime). Among other things reproduction is a download or stream. This is the law.

    This “reproduction” royalty owed to the songwriter is paid to the record label. The record label than has to pay and account to the songwriter. For example, you cover the song “let it be” by The Beatles and your cover version sells via download in iTunes. You make $0.70. $0.091 of that $0.70 has to be paid to the Paul McCartney and John Lennon (they wrote the song)

    If you wrote the song, the $0.091 is supposed to go to you as the songwriter. That’s the law.

    So now lets go to the back-end model – you use another company that takes a % of the money you earn each time you sell a song. You sell a copy of your song in iTunes US. iTunes US pays out $0.70 The company you used takes 9% of the $0.70. Guess what, they just double dipped – they took 9% of the money going to the record label and 9% of the money going to songwriter.

    You think John and Paul approved these “love you more” companies from stealing from them? I can assure you they did not.

    Now this other company might say: “No, we did not touch the $0.091 owed to the songwriter, we only took 9% of the money owed to the record label.”

    Really? You’re lying.

    You see you take 9% of $0.70. You’re only supposed to take 9% of the what the label makes, not the what the songwriter makes. Therefore, the % you are taking is higher than 9%; you just lied and/or you stole from the songwriter.

    Which one is it?

    And this is yet another reason why I believe the backend model is one that is morally wrong

    These back-end companies are either illegally taking money from the songwriters or they are straight out lying to people what the % is that they are taking.

    Copyright law is complex, and they use this complexity to screw songwriters and/or labels.

    I wont go there. Ever.

    Jeff

  • Radioactive X Girlfriend

    Great points, Jeff. And I think I understand where you are coming from. Basically, even if you designed a backend model that properly distributed the correct amounts to the rightful payees the system could still be abused (or you could be accused of abusing the system), so you are wanting an open model where there are less complications and 100% transparency, correct? So one solution would be what TuneCore is currently doing, which is to provide a fee based system. Currently TuneCore charges per release per year. And TuneCore has created a price that has a margin which can keep the doors open and continue to provide and expand services.

    Can you think of any other augmentations to the model that would benefit artists? Perhaps a liscensing option– partnering with music publishers, clearing houses, etc.?? Just throwing out ideas.

    Thanks,

    John

  • Anonymous

    @john

    you hit the nail on the head (and said it far more eloquently than I!)

    There are some other thoughts I had on how to drop barriers and find a way to work with artists to provide them access

    Hopefully, some of them will roll out before the end of this year

    The collection of your songwriter money is up and running

    Jeff

  • http://fr-fr.facebook.com/pages/DUB-SQUAD-PRODUCTIONS/164561843604082?sk=wall Al x and Jahtom

    Thank you for letting us know and for the way you guys never give up. We all know that they are thieves but at this point it is simply incredible!!!!

    Everybody, don’t forget to purchase the track of this summer:

    Dubsquad Productions Presents Marina P – Summertime/Dub Mixed By Dougie Conscious Wardrop
 
Our first production, now available on digital download!!!!

    http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/summertime/id448342473?i=448342483&ign-mpt=uo%3D4

    http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/summertime-dub-feat-dougie/id448339903

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM5gaKFwT2Q

  • cdog

    Brother, I am in the same friggin’ boat. Please let me know how I can help!

  • cdog

    I think there may be another loophole in regards to digital transmissions. Terrestrial radio sometimes simulcasts via “super stations” …does anyone pay on those? They are satellite transmissions of terrestrial broadcasts I believe

  • Les Holmes

    I am a little guy in Canada but my music is important to me and any money it generates is as you pointed out rightfully mine and greatly needed.  Anything you do and I can help get done to assist others in the same boat is something I would like to do. Count me in if there is a place for me.
    Les

  • Anonymous

    @cdog

    we are going to see what we can find out

    jeff

  • Yahs

    ma shalomkka and he spoke Hebrew Greetins in da name of ALMIGHTY YAHWEH How r u Hope in Good spirits thanks for sheddin some light Im Also an Artist,and got couple of tracks on itunes and warn anybody dats tryin to defraud us 2 stop or will feel more of ALMIGHTY YAHWEH WRATH on his Earth our earth its r tym moreso this year and forever we can make it Happen if their tryin to steel money  from da Artist who r makein an Honest livin they will have to pay either way for their wicked schemes  now dat they got caught up in their own trap and we now know watts goin on its tym we trample dem maggots dat da enimie is usein against us lets hope they turn from him and do da right thing before its 2 late for them im with u All Da way on this matter Kind Regards and we number 1 forever

  • http://www.jeffdolan.com Jeff Dolan

    Go Jeff! I ran into all the same conclusions after researching it myself, and you would be amazed at how many industry folks here in Nashville have no clue. It is extremely frustrating and I hope you can find an answer. Now is our time.

  • Estellerubio

    Having read all of these comments I am very happy to be just about to upload my treasured music to TUNECORE. It seems you really have the interests of the artist at heart and I commend all your offers to chase people’s monies on their behalf…Good luck with all the ventures TUNECORE… I’m glad to be on board!

  • Embolden

    Wow, I’m impressed!!!  It’s nice to see that someone actually cares about us to the point that he’s willing to take action!!  We don’t see enough of this kind of behaviour in the world.  Jeff you are brave and wise, thanks for your help!

    Embolden

  • Anonymous

    @estellerubio

    thank you very much for the kind words.

    The only reason we matter is because of you!

    jeff

  • http://www.calimusicbyjusboy.com Cali

    Thank God for Tunecore. I sincerely appreciate your efforts Jeff. For decades the music industry has destroyed more careers than they created. I personally have several friends who had label deals in the past ten years and they all stated they were doing better before they got signed!  Jeff you have given me the ability to turn my dreams into a reality. I support the cause and please inform me of what I can do. 

  • Anonymous

    @cali

    thank you very much for the kind words. Honestly, the best thing you can do is learn and know your legal rights and copyright.
    WIth this knowledge you can begin to peel back the layers of deception, misinformation and, forgive my french here, BS happening out there.
    This industry gets away with murder due to the complexity of copyright law and lack of transparency.
    You just reading this blog posting and writing a response helps!

    Thank you for being part of the new music industry. With your help, we truly can change things for the better
    jeff

  • http://www.kimberlycainblog.com/ Kimberly Cain

    You rock!

  • http://www.kimberlycainblog.com/ Kimberly Cain

    You rock! I so appreciate that someone besides the songwriter, themselves, cares about their contribution to the world.

  • Tom Hamilton

    Boy! I would SURE like to be part of this! The Human Expression was a band from the sixties that I was bass player in . THE whole band got, and is continually getting SCREWED by Accent Records , and EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS USED OUR MUSIC FOR THEIR GAIN. INCLUDING PHYCEDELIC PUBLISHING CO. PLEASE DON’T BUY OUR RECORDS OR RECORDINGS ONLINE OR ANYWHERE ELSE !

  • Stillgrowing

    Where does this $100M figure come from? Is there a way to validate? Just curious.

  • Anonymous

    @stillgrowing

    good question. when a song is streamed in the US, there is more money owed to the songwriter in the form of public performances and mechanical royalties (these are paid differently than mechanical royalties from downloads)
    most of this money is uncollected

    to calculate how much money there is in the US that sits uncollected, you look at how many times the song was streamed and multiply that number by the amount paid per stream for a public performance and the amount paid per stream for a streaming mechanical
    Outside of the US, BOTH a DOWNLOAD and a STREAM generate public performance and mechanical royalty revenue.
    do the same exercise as above

    over 90% of TuneCore songwriters do not have anyone registering their songs with the collection agencies and then following up on their behalf to get their money. It just sits until it gets given to others
    In the past two years, over 400 million songs have been sold by TuneCOre Artists via paid download and/or paid stream globally
    Over 90% of this money was not collected

    This is why we launched the TuneCore songwriter service. We are getting this money back to TuneCore songwriters
    Jeff

  • Stillgrowing

    Jesus Christ – just that number of songs x the penny rate ($0.091) @ 90% is almost $33M in mech rights ONLY. Smh

    I recent saw that 25% of publishing rev ($2.3B) is generated by self-published works. Unless these guys are co-publishing or sub-publishing, they have no ex-US representation where collection effort is required. That said, I think you might be short a “0″ on that black box number. Thoughts?

  • Anonymous

    @stillgrowing

    Streaming mechanicals are much lower than download mechanicals. they are a % of the revenue minus expenses.
    You can view the ridiculous formula necessary to calculate them on page two of the PDF at this link http://www.harryfox.com/docs/HFARoyaltyRatePR10-2-08.pdf
    And that’s just for the US. Outside of the US, its less complicated

    You are right about the Black Box Money. Want something to make it even worse? The mechanical collection agencies take, on average, 15% of your money as an “admin” fee
    Once again, part of the reason we launched the TuneCore songwriting service. We are going to get rid of all these middlemen and get the artist back more of their money more quickly with more transparency and a self audit trail.
    On the public performance side, lord knows what they are up to. Good luck trying to get any rate info!
    jeff

  • terry ball

    HI MY NAME IS TERRY BALL FROM CLEVELAND TENNESSEE AND MY 8 COUNTRY SONGS ARE PLAYED @ most  THE MUSIC ROOMS ON THE NET, COUNTRY SONGS AND THEY HAVE BEEN THERE AT LEAST 9 YEARS AND IV NEVER GOT A DIME BUT THATS NOT TO SAY NOBODY ELSE HAS WHEN THEY HAVE THEM TO DOWNLOAD I HAVE NEVER FOUND OUT HOW YOU COULD MAKE MONEY OFF OF OTHER PEOPLE AND NOT GIVE A DAM ABOUT THE TRUE WRITER AND THE TROUBLE HE OR SHE HAD TO MAKE TRUE COUNTRY SONGS THEY SHOULD ALL BE SUED FOR EVERYTHING THEY WOULD EVER HAVE.

  • http://www.mymusicbymebystevefitch.com/ Steve Fitch

    Let me add to the pile, here. In just under three years, I have composed and produced about 20 albums and three EP-length CDs. No, I am hardly as wealthy as I am prolific: I record/create/mix my music on a computer, so I own the means of production. I release CDs through Createspace, which offers on-demand publishing of CDs, DVDs and books (I also have two books published via Createspace). In conjunction with that, I release MP3 editions of my albums (except when the albums have too few tracks to release as MP3) via Amazon, to which Createspace is an adjunct enterprise. I do EVERYTHING myself – from composition and performance, to online-content maintenance, to CD graphics, to going to the store for chips and salsa – and aside from the modest investment in equipment, producing each CD costs me little more, really, than the $5 proof copy from Createspace.

    For me to release all of my material (including my back-catalog, which isn’t included in the figures cited at the beginning of the previous paragraph) via Tunecore would require my resorting to illegal activity to raise funds to defray the cost. Therefore, I made two compilations to upload to Tunecore/iTunes/Spotify/Zune, for the purpose of calling attention to my music in general, and perchance to the fact that there is so much more of it available. I consider Spotify and Zune, and to an extent iTunes, as mainly venues for publicity, anyway; my website is where it’s really goin’ on, and where the public can find (both listen to and purchase) all of my music by me.

    Tunecore’s $50 per-album submission fee really causes one to consider the investment. The two compilations of my music are also on Bandcamp, again for the sake of publicity, and there people can listen to (and presumably pirate) the songs unimpededly. If they want to pay $10 for a FLAC version of an 80-minute set of music, thanks very much. Bandcamp’s terms of fees and payment are so righteous and reasonable that they put Tunecore’s to shame (despite that, to their credit, the folks at Tunecore do a lot of fancy bean-counting on the behalf of its artists). It would seem more reasonable for Tunecore to charge the $50 per-album fee and leave it at that, with the titles remaining in perpetuity at no recurring charge – with, perhaps, the requirement that the artist request renewal annually so as not to encumber Tunecore’s servers and accounting department with forsaken material.

    By the way, I have never, ever, seen any money from BMI, despite that my music has been played on radio and downloaded commercially, and I am member of that organization as both composer and publisher. Maybe when my music starts making money for someone else, BMI will acknowledge that I’m alive.

  • Rebekahrocks

    Bravo!!!

  • SB

    1) Tunecore’s info above is incorrect when it lumps streaming in with the $0.091 mechanical royalty rate: the mechanical royalty rate for streaming is a fraction of a penny, and is variable depending on the usage.
    2) commenters on this issue who wonder why they haven’t been ‘paid’ for Youtube views seem to be unclear that Youtube views do not constitute a MECHANICAL copy (no mechanical royalties are due), and that there is no PERFORMANCE ROYALTY automatically payable for any performances on the Wild West that is the internet. If you’re a Youtube “Partner” you might get a tiny share of the ADVERTISING money that Youtube (owned by Google) is raking in alongside your videos.  As far as an actual ROYALTY for PERFORMANCES of your song, last I checked, Youtube was only willing to talk to the huge record companies about this, and HFA (Harry Fox Agency) was trying to set up some deal for its publisher members to get in line to hope for a tiny piece of the pie. Does Tunecore have a deal set up with Youtube to get in on collecting money from Youtube performances? And if so, will it be a per-view ROYALTY type of situation, or a per-click-through share of the ADVERTISING revenue?

  • SB

    @jeff,  so many people are asking about getting ‘paid’ for Youtube plays, and you are making it sound like there is money owed when a song is PLAYED. ‘Played’ is way too vague a term, because songwriters are not owed royalties when a song is PLAYED on YOUTUBE (or on a home stereo, etc.)  As far as an actual ROYALTY forYOUTUBE plays  of your song, last I checked, Youtube was only willing to
    talk to the huge record companies about this, and HFA (Harry Fox Agency)
    was trying to set up some deal for its publisher members to get in line
    to hope for a tiny piece of the pie. Does Tunecore have a deal set up
    with Youtube to get in on collecting money from Youtube performances?
    And if so, will it be a per-view ROYALTY type of situation, or a
    per-click-through share of the ADVERTISING revenue?

  • SB

    oh… @jeff and also you said (in your @nathan reply) “downloaded”. You are mistakenly also lumping DOWNLOADS with PERFORMANCE ROYALTIES. Downloads from LEGAL sites (iTunes etc) are PDD (permanent digital downloads) which qualify for MECHANICAL royalties, not PERFORMANCE royalties! Downloads from sites that host a lot of illegal SHARING (which you so vehemently defend as ‘freedom of expression’ in your diatribes against SOPA and PIPA), not surprisingly, pay NOTHING to songwriters.  Um, that’s why RIAA is trying to get the laws changed to be able to shut them down.  Have you taken Music Biz 101?

  • SB

    oh… @jeff and also you said (in your @nathan reply) “downloaded”. You are mistakenly also lumping DOWNLOADS with PERFORMANCE ROYALTIES. Downloads from LEGAL sites (iTunes etc) are PDD (permanent digital downloads) which qualify for MECHANICAL royalties, not PERFORMANCE royalties! Downloads from sites that host a lot of illegal SHARING (which you so vehemently defend as ‘freedom of expression’ in your diatribes against SOPA and PIPA), not surprisingly, pay NOTHING to songwriters.  Um, that’s why RIAA is trying to get the laws changed to be able to shut them down.  Have you taken Music Biz 101?

  • Anonymous

    @sb

    I know it’s exciting for you to to go online and attempt to discredit people..
    I would rather write in-depth factual articles and provide artists with information. I feel it’s important that artist understand their rights so they can know when these rights are being infringed.
    As an example, when a song is downloaded outside of the United States the entity providing that download requires the rights to two copyrights from the songwriter – One for the right of reproduction and the other for the right of public performance aka “communication”$
    As you appear to be self-professed expert in this field I am curious why you have not written an article like the one we recently wrote that provides a detailed analysis as to why songwriters are not getting their money http://blog.tunecore.com/2012/03/the-global-songwriter-shell-game.html
    Surely someone of your deep knowledge must understand the nuances at this level?
    If so, I find it interesting that you have chosen not to do anything about it.
    I believe artists should get all their money. Question is, why don’t you?

    Thank You

    Jeff Price
    Http://www.TuneCore.com

  • Anonymous

    @sb

    this is not about what YouTube is willing to do – this is about copyright law.
    For YouTube to legally include a recording and the underlying composition in a video – it need the licenses to
    1) the right of Distribution for the master recording
    2) the right of Public Performance for the composition (from the songwriter) 3) the right of Synchronization and Distribution for the composition (from the songwriter)
    Yes, TuneCore has a deal set up with YouTube for both the master and composition side for all the rights required
    Revenue is calculated as % of Net Revenue off of each individual video as generated by advertising
    jeff

  • Anonymous

    @sb

    no lumping at all. There are mechanical royalties from physical, downloads and streams
    There are the US laws and stat rates, and the rest of the world

    In the US, there is a compulsory law and a stat rate set by the government, outside of the US there is no compulsory law and no stat rate
    In the US, the mechanical royalty rate for streams, the rate is more or less 10.5% of Gross Revenue, minus the cost of public performance pro rated out. Right now its about $.005 per stream.
    Re: YouTube, I replied in another posting.

    Jeff

  • Anonymous

    @sb

    no lumping at all. There are mechanical royalties from physical, downloads and streams
    There are the US laws and stat rates, and the rest of the world

    In the US, there is a compulsory law and a stat rate set by the government, outside of the US there is no compulsory law and no stat rate
    In the US, the mechanical royalty rate for streams, the rate is more or less 10.5% of Gross Revenue, minus the cost of public performance pro rated out. Right now its about $.005 per stream.
    Re: YouTube, I replied in another posting.

    Jeff

  • TERRY BALL

    hi my name is terry ball im a songwriter&i use to sing my 10 true country songs i wrote&have copywrites for but after my accident in 1991 i had to quit singing but iv still got my songs and iv had them on the net for 6 yrs iv never made a dime been told many times i would  but is there anyway to find out if iv made any thanks terry ball

  • TERRY BALL

    hi my name is terry ball im a songwriter&i use to sing my 10 true country songs i wrote&have copywrites for but after my accident in 1991 i had to quit singing but iv still got my songs and iv had them on the net for 6 yrs iv never made a dime been told many times i would  but is there anyway to find out if iv made any thanks terry ball

  • Anonymous

    @52cebf5877cffd1470e4b5212ce95d0d:disqus 

    Hello Terry,

     

    Thank you for your
    interest in TuneCore. Terry, the answer is yes. If your songs were commercially
    released at some point and they are currently being streamed on the internet
    then you are due royalties for the usage of your songs. Our songwriter service
    will help you retrieve these royalties that may be sitting out there in the
    world. We will work on your behalf by registering your works with the global
    rights organizations, policing them as such, and going directly to the source
    to retrieve your money.

     

    Below please find a
    brief summary of what the service entails.

     

    TuneCore
    Publishing /Songwriter Service:

     

    As
    a songwriter, there are laws around the world that require you to be paid
    additional money each time your song is downloaded, streamed or played publicly. 
    The TuneCore Songwriter Service will get this money for you.  If you don’t
    collect it, it’s given to Warner, Sony, EMI and Universal, amongst others.

     

    Where
    Is My Additional Songwriter Money Coming From?

    Songwriters
    must be paid mechanical royalties for downloads and streams.  Outside of
    the US & Mexico, mechanical royalties are paid by the digital stores to
    copyright collection organizations.   These foreign collection
    organizations (i.e.  MCPS, GEMA, JASRAC etc.) do not have your songwriter
    information.  In addition, there is no one showing up on your behalf to
    get your money.  The majors (Warner, Universal, EMI, Sony) get this
    “unidentified money” and split it amongst themselves.  We will
    get you paid before they take it.

     

    What
    About Internet Streams Of My Songs?

    Money
    from Streams is the fastest growing for songwriters.  With the US launch
    of Spotify and Apple’s iMatch service, it will grow even more.  Each time
    your song is streamed you are owed two additional songwriter royalties:

    -             
    a mechanical royalty

    -             
    a public performance royalty. 

     

    We
    are doing direct collection deals for songwriters with stores like Apple for
    iMatch and Spotify etc for both.  This will get you more money, more
    quickly with more transparency. Unlike blanket licenses used by ASCAP/BMI/SESAC
    that benefit only the most popular songwriters, all members of the TuneCore
    Songwriting Service will receive money because you’ll be paid on a per stream
    basis. 

     

    What
    About ASCAP/BMI/SESAC?

    We
    are not replacing ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, for collecting money from jukeboxes,
    radio, venues, etc…but we are going to step in where there is a lack of
    efficiency and effort and get songwriters paid. Artists can be members of
    ASCAP/BMI/SESAC and still have TuneCore perform its service.

     

    What
    Services Will The TuneCore Songwriter Service Provide?

    -      
    The licensing and collection of your songwriter revenue for: synchronization,
    mechanical, master, print, performance, streaming performance, streaming
    mechanical and digital downloads

    -      
    Quarterly payments and detailed accountings (with as close to accounting real
    time coming) in your TuneCore account.

    -      
    Policing your songwriter earnings by matching them up with your distribution
    earnings for downloads and streaming as well as policing for copyright
    infringement.

     

    What
    Does It Cost?

    Set
    Up Fee:

    There
    is a limited time offer set up fee of $49.99 per songwriter.  There will
    be no additional annual charge.  The fee covers costs to register your
    songs with the global organizations and services that use, license, collect and
    pay out money on your songs.

     

    Collection
    Fee:

    TuneCore
    receives 10% of the money it is able to directly collect and get back to you.

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