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I haven't sold anything so far on Tunecore. I am wondering how do I market myself. I play psychedelic-experiemental instrumental rock music. I am just asking.

If the album is no longer the measure of sales for "breaking" which it might not be... than just divide songs sales by 12 (the average amount of songs on a CD) to come up with an "album equivalent" number to compare old to new.

Example Artist X has sold 24,000 paid SONG downloads - well, easy that = 2,000 ALBUMS...

so to break Silverman's threshold, artists need to sell a minimum of 120,000 paid SONG downloads to make it past the goal line...

To put my last comment into concrete terms, because Jeff wrote about 2 of the top 14 best-sellers on Tune Core and the relevance of Billboard in a post dated to July 2, 2009--more than six months before this one! And I am sure that we have NOT heard the last of it, in ALL its variations.

I stratified the top 14 best-sellers. Take the median (there isn't a true "middle," so . . . ) the number of sales is 225,000 units, taking the lower number to limit the disparity of sales. As one comment said, selling 10,000 units is 4.4%. Or put another way, 225,000 is more than 20 times that amount!

This leaves LOTS of room for range-y sales figures among artists selling in those unit marks. With no way of giving context to how realistic it is to sell 10,000 units among 90,000 artists, exaggerated hyperboles aside.

Still, 10,000 units comes nowhere near 225,000. The sales are so range-y that even among the top artists the top 3 nearly doubled the other 11, demonstrating my concept of a steep cutoff.

Merely considering the ratio of top bands AND their sales vis-a-vis the whole community, they are fewer than two-hundredths of 1% of the TC community. Need I lay out a feudal ethnography? To take Kieran's figure that 98% might sell 50 units per title, what you have to do to reach the 10,000 units mark is to post 200 songs!! To lend perspective that will cost you up front $2,000 of your $5,000 profit. Who has 200 resale-ready songs?

Bottom line: if you do NOT report UPCs to Nielsen and do NOT sell the units to have leverage why do you care what Nielsen does? I promise that the top 14 artists are doing fine and legitimized. You have to sell more units to win. That is the more important question TC can address. Promoting artists can help. However buying a review or sales charts is useless when you can solicit FREE reviews to be posted FOR FREE to a forum YOUR FANS follow, by a critic respected in your genre. Make reasonable demands.

Although I do not begrudge the success of the best-sellers, I refuse to allow spurious arguments to distress me if they do not affect my sales!

To Kieran,

Actually, the top 14 sold 6,575,000. It doesn't change much, but it skews the numbers further against the other Tune Core artists.

I bet if you took the top 100 best-sellers you'd find everybody else releasing thru Tune Core is making less than a day's pay per year. At least, at some point you would get a big drop in the total sales per artist well before the median, as that cutoff to come AT the median would mean one or two more songs per artist (IF that) in a sample size of 90,000. Very informative math, Kieran.

We should do a little math to get to the main "spirit" of Silvermans argument. I am going to take numbers straight from Jeff's post

Top 14 selling tunecore artists sold
6,375,000 Tracks.

Tunecore artists overall sold ( this number would include titles from 2007 so pushing the over all per title sales down . Thus the number would be LOWER than even what I am posting )
42,000,000 Tracks . Subtract the 6,375,000 tracks that the top 14 artists that leaves you with

35,625,000 tracks sold for the other 90,000+ new and catalog titles.

Titles published in 2008
90,000

Taking out those 14 Titles
The AVERAGE tracks sold in 2008 of every other title on tunecore was
395 tracks sold( 39.5 total albums sold )


for a average title gross of
$277 dollars per year. for all but the top 14 Artists

Keep in mind that was only separating the top 14 selling artists from tunecore from the general pool .. what about separating the top 1000 titles .. I bet at that point the average per title track sales of the bottom 89,000 titles ( thats the other 98% for those keeping track) would be below well below 50 tracks sold per year average.

Silverman's Point is still valid even if the numbers are a little off. If anything it would further support the need for a team. As Almost all ( if not all ) of the top selling artists report to Nielsen . Where as the lowest selling releases would skew that ratio even lower than the $277 per title gross above
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Jeff,
You said:
"That being said, Neilsen takes other entities data (the labels, the artists, the retail stores, the distributors) adds value to it and then with no permission or ask from the artist or labels sells it - however, they keep all the revenue."

This describes Google's exact business model. Crawl sites, take data, repackage it and make tons of money from using it or selling it to others. I figured you be against Google as well, based on the rant, but I know that you run Google advertising for Tunecore, I've seen the ads.

Why is it that you support Google with your $$s, but pan Nielsen for doing having the exact same model?

I'm not looking for a fight, just a clarification on your rationale. I can't seem to reconcile what you are saying and what Tuncore is doing.

wrg to you comment about putting TC's 'ownership' on content, isn't there a way to pass the data to Nielsen without claiming ownership over it?

Jeff, the funniest or most ironic is that he asked for more data for an interview. I'm sorry he must mistake himself for a legitimate media outlet.

Maybe he should focus on the fact that he is lagging in "media credentials" that couldn't get him in to a Tone Loc concert.

NEXT!

TO CHIP:

I believe its inappropriate for TuneCore to claim artists as "TuneCore's" and claim market share. However, any artist can register their UPCs with Soundscan if they like - they then get the credit (after all they are also the "label") That being said, Neilsen takes other entities data (the labels, the artists, the retail stores, the distributors) adds value to it and then with no permission or ask from the artist or labels sells it - however, they keep all the revenue. At the very least, in my opinion, they should be sharing some portion of that revenue back with the entities that created the thing they are selling - this includes the artists. Finally, Soundscan has little relevancy these days - most of TuneCore's customers are not going for commercial radio play, physical shelf space or MTV play. And the Billboard charts (created from Soundscan's data) no longer accurately reflect the reality of the music business And to get on my little soapbox, I believe Soundscan needs the artists data more then they will need them. I am not in business to help and bolster Neilsen's marketshare on data that they can package and resell.

Why doesn't TuneCore just report the sales to Nielsen? Problem solved, no?

Tommy feels that independant artist is getting a better break through in the industry.Good statement Jeff you made your point To Tommy and the rest of Artist pimmpers This is 2010 the pimp game in the industry has been aknowledge from some time now.So dont hate congradulate.

Thanks Jeff say good luck To Tommy Boy his eyes of tears of money is cry for more power...........

TOMMY SLIVERMAN IS AFRAID THAT HE WONT BE ABLE TO DECLARE WHO MAKES IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS ANY MORE . WE AS INDEPENDENT SINGERS, RAPERS , AND PRODUCERS CAN FINALLY SAY WE DON'T NEED YOUR (PIMP) CONTRACTS IN WHICH THE RECORD COMPANY MAKES MILLIONS AND WE MAKE PENNY'S . WE OWN OUR MUSIC, THE PEOPLE! DECLARE IF WE MAKE IT OR NOT, NOT SOME RADIO STATION THAT HAS BEEN PAID FOR BY SOME RECORD COMPANY . I guess the truth is scary for him , as for me (TOMMY RILEY) the truth shall set me free.
thank you for reading .... P.s my album is out now please tell me what you think

EMusic.com/album/Tommy-Riley-Trade-MP3-Download/11773107.html

I appreciate Tommy's statement's, it let me know that the mainstream music industry is trying to discredit the growning competition! I also appreciate Jeff's point-by-point counter but would like to have average statistically data instead of top sellers. To me he's placing the emphasis on the wrong segment of the market too, "that's too much like the big boys." How about telling us the medium sells for a Tunecore distribute artist and the likelihood of them doing 1000 - 10,000 units. Those numbers aren't career changing numbers, but net $500 - $5,000 would make many artist proud, as well as, put a little butter on their bread.

the truth of the matter is that Nielsen Rating has absolutely no place in this day and age. It is an out dated tool.

The problem with Myspace, Facebook, etc... is that a band or artist with little real talent can mix with those who have intense talent. This can make the "layperson" or young impressionable person believe the intense talent is lacking. In other words, what can the "layperson" go by?

I hope in the future most music we hear is real music with real talent. The ones who create and are happy to "make a living". Not the ones who try for easy street by playing substanceless crap.

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