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this article is a great reminder for me to think with my heart as opposed to my head. as an on-and-off songwriter who grew up to rap lyricism i was entrained, so to speak, to write out my phrasing with rhyme but also in that vein of intellectual/spiritual/conscious hip-hop where words can be extremely cerebral. this is one of the few styles of music, though debatable, i find can be cerebral AND emotive via the percussive nature of the words.

yet cerebral, to me, however just doesn't seem to fit with melody. and this is a distinction from the context of this article which i believe it was written.

cerebral lyrics is an obvious clash with the current style of song i write as a singer/songwriter.

perhaps it's best for me not to abandon either style. and i'm beginning to think i could write out my habituated, cerebral-style lyrics via the Morning Pages technique and later trim them down to their emotional underpinnings to serve my style of song.

what do you think?

Nice article, I'll read it when I have time.

Hey it's not nice to call someone's work "cheesy". I'll just comment on the article.
I am in Nashville, and co-write all week long. The rule is, come up with something catchy, NOT about love... Love songs are extremely hard to get cut. Everybody can write "I Love You" in a million different ways... thats they key folks... And you probably already have 100 love songs you've written. The formula doesn't have to be A B A B, you can make up your own formula. prime example is Brad Paisley, he writes songs in the moment, like Online... forgettable to me but succesful. Anytime a subject like online dating is used in a song you know it's IN THE MOMENT. But most of his songs have an extra line in the Chorus... like a reprise line... just to pound the message in. And it definitly works. Listent to the new Chickenfoot CD and Hagar's lyrics are at times very simple, and cliche' but it's all about the groove, and thats what sell's those songs.
Don't Worry... Be Happy! Simply successful song, and we ALL know that one. A great melody is also a must, choose chords that create the emotional reaction you need to sell the song to the listener.
I do this for a living, and I read every article about writing I find... there's always something to learn by another's perspective on writing.

Enjoyed the article & all of the responses... there's certainly something to learn from everyone's perspective here...

I must say that when I look back at what I consider to be some of my best lyrics, I find that aprox 50% of the lyrics came natually from a strong emotional place, non of which were pre-calculated. Coming up with the other 50% to finish off the songs is were we sometimes need tool to help us finish what we naturally started.

Dino :)

Either you got it or ya don't. You can't force it. And you just gotta find the right people who appreciate what you do. Sometimes there will be alot of people who like it, and sometimes no one. If you want to sell your music to the masses, you had better pay attention to those who are successful at it. Otherwise, just write for your local cafe people, or for yourself and have a good time. It's a matter of deciding what you are doing it for. Not thinking about it, or not deciding, is in fact, your decision. I choose to write for the masses.

I saw his soul escape its coil
in the brightest ray of blue
I'd ever seen

Emerging from his eyes,
a beam of light into the night
one last goodbye

Are we just energy contained,
locked within a mortal shell,
to be released ?

... or psyches waiting to be freed
discharged from earthly burdens
immaterialized

Up there somewhere
is a place where kindred spirits meet
on the boundary between cosmos and sky
Up there somewhere
lies a hint of the afterlife
One day I'll join you there - where souls reunite

There must be more than meets the eye
far beyond what we perceive
potentially,

a common point on different curves
bordering infinity
I do believe

Up there somewhere
is a place where kindred spirits meet
on the boundary between cosmos and sky
Up there somewhere
lies a hint of the afterlife
One day I'll join you there - where souls reunite

Don't be afraid to transcend
Goodbye does not mean it's the end
eventually we'll comprehend
farewell is not forever - my friend

Up there somewhere
is a place where kindred spirits meet
on the boundary between cosmos and sky

Up there somewhere
lies a hint of the afterlife
One day I'll join you there - where souls reunite

good article, but i guess it all depends on why you are writing songs. For the casual song writer thats sees his work as just a hobby or something to do, then there are no rules....there really doesnt have to be a formula, because it doesnt matter...you are just writing for yourself, who cares what others think. Now on the other hand, if you are trying to write music for a career and are interested in making some $$$$, there are rules and proven formulas that work. Listen to any "hit" song....most of the time there are common key elements in each of those songs that make them "hits". I dont think its a bad thing to follow structure and formula,just be creative and unique in that structure and you might end up writing that next hit song. Its ok to write songs that the mainstream public will like or even kids will like. I guess it all comes down to what your motives behind writing songs really is.

Concept(chorus) first; lyrics flow like water after that. It is all about knowing what it is you are talking about before hand. It is harder when you have a book full of verses and then trying to come up with a concept off of that.
'RapSpire UR Area!'
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Ok - I think these are helpful guidelines if you're in Nashville playing to the country category. It can also work for traditional pop and rock. But as has been related by other posters here, these should not be looked upon as exclusive rules to inspire hit making music. David Bowie wrote some of his best songs by taking random clippings from the newspaper (cut & paste). "I am he as you are we as you are me and we are all together" - Lucy in the Sky.. Lennon purposely mangled the lyrics to some of his later works so that they would not make sense (though some people still tried to find logic in it). The song is nonsense, but it's beautiful and it was successful! By all means learn the rules, but once you master them, break them!

I forgot to mention that my music 'came' to me after recovering from my illness, i've had no training of any kind in writing music or lyrics.
With my first two records already signed up you will be hearing more from me. ;-)

A.

I have to agree with Bob Cooper, either you can write songs/lyrics or you can't. After recovering from a serious illness I am now a prolific songwriter/lyricist. Of course there are 'recipes' that if followed will produce the same basic boring records/lyrics that the charts are full of these daysI guess it just depends on what the main motivation behind writing the song is.
Still, when a successful person from any area gives advice it nevers hurts to listen. :-)

A. x

Are we talking about writing "hit songs" or just a good "rule of thumb" when writing ANY song?
The Number one song on the Billboard charts at this moment is Jay Sean's "Down" (featuring Lil Wayne, naturally)
Here's the first verse :

"You oughta know, tonight is the night to let it go,
Put on a show, i wanna see how you lose control"

I wrote something very similar, once, when I was 9.
If you want "hits" I suggest buying auto-tune, Working on your pecs & abs & letting a nine year old write your songs. If you're lucky, you can get a drug dealer to produce you!
Grab a couple cliches & mash em together or say something so completely immature that only Jr Hi kids would appreciate ("do the Helen Keller & talk with your hips") they, after all, are the record buying public.

If you're writing to express emotion it doesn't mean you can't go for the cliche. Think about how tore up Lady GaGa is about the paparazzi. OMG! Is she bleeding?! That would be hard, to walk around with no pants & have people take your picture. I totally feel her pain, it's so universal!

OK, I know I'm being a smart aleck, I actually agree with most points in this article. It's a shame the biggest selling song writers aren't following the rules & just shooting for the lowest common denominator (the youth). I suppose if they liked it then they shoulda put a ring on it...

I agree on the basic principles here. The three parts are good to have in most cases - not all. But I was very tempted to write it all off and stop reading when I read the lyrics. Very cheesy.

gotta say honestly, the approach to songwriting and the things said in this article make sense but then you read the sample lyric and I start laughing, it stinks, very lame,lousy.

Ì think the rule about having a single emotion is a good one, and I have seen it stated by another successful songwriter. I would also agree with it as a practising poet and English PhD.
I also agree with the post that suggested looking to the 'standards' of the 20th century for models.
I think that an increase in the already high percentage of bad songs resulted from the widespread realisation sometime in the late sixties that 'the money' was in song rights. This led to the convention that groups write their own songs. It's as if every stage actor was expected to write his or her own plays or film scripts -- only a few are capable.
We even see the stupid trend of ridiculing groups who sing covers or songs selected by their label or manager, which is the professional thing to do if you are not talented as writers. I am thankful for any group/individual who can sing or play their instruments properly. I don't expect them to inflict bad songs on me just because they want the royalties to go to themselves.
Good poetry , whether sung or otherwise, is rare, and great even rarer. Some material (the 'street' stuff mostly) is good but ephemeral, although great at the time.
For me the holy grail (to continue the religious theme) is to write a standard, i.e. a song that the public and musiciansd alike love and return to for its poetic and musical quality.

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