May 21, 2009

CNN Should’ve Asked Me…

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Jeff Price is the Founder and CEO of TuneCore.  This op-ed is in response to a CNN.com piece entitled "What will save rock'n'roll?" from May 20th.

Yesterday, CNN.com ran an article titled “What will save rock 'n' roll?” which included an interview with Steve Van Zandt and some others

The short version, in the article Steven, and others, claim people are not buying music and albums because “they suck” and bands don’t know how to rock.

Somehow, they feel, bands just don’t know how create music that inspires.

I had the pleasure and honor of meeting Steven.  He’s a great guy, a kick-ass guitar player and a legend, but with all due respect, bullshit.  And shame on CNN for running a news story based on a few people’s uneducated opinions.

There is more music being created and recorded today then ever before in the history of humanity.  Although sheer volume of music creation does not make it good, the fact that more people are creating it certainly increases the odds. Hell, just having access to affordable gear and recording equipment (like your Mac) allows more music to come to life, both the terrible and the incredible.

What Steven and CNN don’t seem to know, or acknowledge, is that the real “music industry” is that thing over in the corner main-stream media is not reporting on and not aware of.

There are between 150 to 300 releases a day via TuneCore alone.  I have to suspect that Steven has heard perhaps less than a percent of a percent of them.  You want the opinion from the guy running TuneCore, now the largest distributor of bands, labels and music in the world, there is more great “rock”, “punk”, “dance”, “hip hop” “classical”, “funk”, “folk”, “country” etc etc than there has ever been before.  And this is why IT IS SELLING.

TuneCore Artists have made over $32,000,000 in music sales in just the last 22 months.  Some TuneCore Artists are actually outselling Top 40 artists – guess the Top 40 aren’t really Top 40 anymore.  Who cares what someone else chart says, the people actually know what’s going on and don’t need an artificial chart to tell them what’s popular, they already know.

And with all due respect, people ARE buying and consuming and stealing and streaming and listening to music.  And more and more of them are becoming so inspired that they actually are going out to teach themselves how to “rock”.

So CNN, what will save rock ‘n’ roll – it’s already saved.  You just need to start listening.

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May 21, 2009 · 56 comments in Jeff's Postings

  • Molly

    Jeff,
    You nailed it. As usual.

  • Ron

    Right on Jeff!
    Springsteen’s band oriented music is only part of one genre of classic rock, and to be honest, it’s in a pretty narrow zone stylistically/musically, with a lot of it just variations on the same musical themes, that people recognize and respond to Pavlovian style.
    Mainstream radio and TV just play the hyped artists trying to shove it down the public’s throats as usual, to generate money and nothing more – greed a la Wall Street.
    eg: I can’t believe the crappy bands that SNL features so many times – pathetic to say the least.
    Bravo and kudos to the small guys/gals producing their own music, and thank God for the internet, so we can ignore the big record companies and radio stations, effectively giving them the big finger.

  • vicki R. Calhoun

    Rock is here to stay….

  • http://www.wickedceltics.com Wicked Celtics

    I know where I turn for my music cues…CNN and Little Steven? Really? C’mon CNN, get this GARBAGE out of here. Nice retort, Jeff!
    So when do we see your reaction on CNN? You should write in and link them to your response if you haven’t already. OR submit it as an iReport.
    Officially,
    Wicked Celtics
    “Wicked C” if ya nasty
    http://www.wickedceltics.com

  • Jon

    I wouldn’t go as far as calling Van Zandt’s opinion “uneducated” and think this post is a bit over-reactionary.
    It’s easy to criticize this CNN article from the TuneCore point of view because the article was entirely focused on major record labels and the corporate radio that plays them – not Indie musician’s and labels (unfortunately).
    I can’t seem to find the TuneCore Top 40 list (I know, I’m blind) and would love to see it to a) compare it to the Billboard Top 40 b) discover new music.

  • http://www.thecultivatedword.com Sonja

    I respect Steve Van Zandt and I’m a Springsteen fan from way back, but I agree with you, Jeff. Steve’s way off base with his commentary about the current state of rock ‘n roll.
    Part of the problem is his lack of a critical perspective on the system that made him the legend that he is. After all, if you’re a legend like Steve is, you’re more likely to reify the system that made you the legend that you are. Perhaps he just can’t imagine music or music distribution any other way than what he’s used to. If that’s the case, that’s too bad, since there are a lot of great artists out there making outstanding music that a legend like Steve could support.
    Change is hard, especially when it impacts the cultural institutions we’ve come to accept as facts of life. But I don’t think change in the music business (that is, the way we “get” our music) is equivalent to the decline of music or rock. Art changes, we see new things, become influenced by new movements and technology. The mediums through which we communicate messages won’t stay the same forever, and frankly, I wouldn’t want them to.
    Thanks for your post.
    Sonja

  • http://www.myspace.com/benkitchens Ben Kitchens

    Good for you Jeff…I have always known that regardless of the production at the end of the day it all comes down to the song. If it is a great song people will listen. I get so sick of hearing all the hyped “artists” that are literally shoved down the throats of the listening public by the mainstream media. Finally the internet has made it possible for all the unknowns to get their music out there. It is no secret that payola still exists…just in a different form and now the greedy record companies who have for decades ripped off artists are chewing on their nails. I like all kinds of music as long as it is good but the kind of stuff I hear coming out of Nashville these days all sounds alike. I honestly cannot tell one from the other. There is no uniqueness. My hat is off to the people that are creating and producing their own music. I commend the many online stores where independent music is available.

  • RB

    Not that I agree with CNN, but look R/R did die out. It’s easy to play and there couldn’t be anything new added if so it would be very boring. I don’t like rap but visiting a place where young people hang out as soon as a rap song came on they all dove out to dance, or they would dance at the table either way they all had a great time, then when a rock song was played they sat there and didn’t even move. this is not my opinion it’s a fact, of course there are die hards for R/R it’s that Rock is boring and out dated no matter how good of a Musician you are makes no difference any more.

  • http://blog.salientdigital.com/2008/03/15/djg-cosmic-expansion-released-on-itunes-amazon/ DJG Cosmic Expansion

    The only error in judgement is thinking that CNN ever puts out anything but bullshit.

  • http://www.juicyaudio.com S R Dhain

    Being a tunecore artist myself, i do find both reactions very emotional, which is a good thing. Neither are spot on, but BOTH are valid. At the end of the day we DO need “big” Stadium Size artists with pomp etc to exist, simply cause regardless of HOW MANY people are makign music, i know the ethos behind getting into music hasnt changed THAT MUCH. The maddonna’s, U2′S, COLDPLAY’S etc are still there as some kind of benchmark in terms of success (musical taste is a subjective issue), so if these kind of people start to eventually disappear, then the VALUE placed on music by the the paradigms set will also start to diminish. In other words, the whole image, trappings, wealth et al are also a part of the drive. As much as many people- myself included, although i do a lot of soundtrack stuff – ENJOY the craft, no one wants to slog their guts out for peanuts and a handful of people going “yeah, pretty neat, man!”, do they?

  • http://www.lisabianco.com Lisa Bianco

    Gotta agree with Steven. He is right. No one really rocks anymore. I see soo many bands and they are more concerned about their skinny jeans and looks. They all sound the same….these “cutting edge independent bands”. People aren’t writing “good songs” anymore. Some truth to that. Part of the problem IS that equipment is cheap and that are people making music are not musicians to the most basic level. It’s cut and paste and you get a song. The art of song craft and rock is one foot in the grave.

  • http://www.cyclopsband.com JWalker

    Thank you Tunecore for letting us release our music to the public for pennies but your position on this subject seems a bit self-serving and mis-guided. Sorry, but I am leaning toward Steven and CNN on this one.
    We’ve moved from extremes. There was a time where there was extreme filtering of talent where a few A&R people held talisman of talent. Today, any yahoo with a Mac and Mic can release crap for $30. Too much bad shit to filter through.

  • davidearllewis

    cnn are the enemy. I like tune core. Damn the torpedo, and full speed ahead.

  • davidearllewis

    I think it’s abundantly clear, if you have a brain. need i say more?

  • http://www.averywatts.com Avery Watts

    HELL YEAH JEFF!! Way to stick it to ‘em and shine a light on the truth!
    Keep up the good work!
    Sincerely,
    Avery Watts
    http://www.averywatts.com

  • http://www.AskACapper.com Charles Bittner

    So true, to many good tunes, you need 1000 lifetimes to hear it all.. I have some artist I love that only have 1000 or less plays on last.fm. And they rock! great time to love music & be alive!
    Chuck
    http://www.AskACapper.com

  • Ghosting

    Steve Van Zandt is a Kick Ass guitar player?????? OR a Phenom actor??????????????
    HOW ‘BOUT NONE OF THE ABOVE!

  • Ghosting

    How ’bout The Employee(I think I’m Bob Dylan)Springsteen, Van Zandts Boss………
    they can’t and don’t play a decent Lead between them!

  • Ghosting

    Music IS !!!!! & it’s getting Better!

  • Neil Pille

    It will be interesting to see over the next few years if a generation of kids playing Guitar Hero to old Aerosmith songs will have any effect on the music they will produce. It seems inevitable to me, and that is a good thing. I hope some bands are benefitting from TuneCore, because it hasn’t helped me a bit! I have a better chance holding my CDs up on stage at my shows than selling them online!

  • consfearacy

    The mainstream media looks to the same `ol` tired mainstream labels for content. Most of it truly sucks. Remember now that major media outlets are in just a few hands. Tunecore represents a threat to the establishment. Anyone that calls the jonas brothers a rock band obviously knows nothing about real rock n roll to begin with. Watch for metal bands coming to a town near you and go see them. Then try to say that rock is dead.

  • Jon

    Wow, I posted a comment politely playing Devil’s Advocate to Jeff’s entry, it made it up and now it’s gone. Looks like CNN isn’t the only one that is biased and censored.
    Was it becuase I requested TuneCore to post their Top 40 artists so we could discover new music and comapre it to the Billboard Top 40 that Steven Van Zandt hates so much?
    Or was it because I called that the CNN article’s focus was a critique of major labels and sadly left out any references ot Indie labels?
    Or was it because I said that calling Steven Van Zandt’s opinion “uneducated” was a bit a mistake and the blog entry was a bit over-reactionary?
    Anyway, look forward to seeing this post deleted soon as well.

  • Jon

    I take back my second post 100%, Jeff. I am a complete idiot and apologize for accusing TuneCore of editing your comments.
    I seriously need to drink less beer before reading comments sections.
    Crawling back into my hole now. :S

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p01156fa8c2ae970c B

    Music will always change. In the USA, musicians sometimes determine who they are and the value of what they’re doing based on what of their output is being consumed by the greatest number of consumers. Innovation by it’s nature will likely remain a marginal practice. Centrist values and practices MUST be repeatable by many, many people to be considered thus. IF “rock and roll” is a “rebel” music (I don’t know if it is…) well, we know what that means. If “knowing how to rock” means patterned behavior, mimicked by hordes of people, then we ought NOT ever learn how to do THAT. IF it means, (what I think Steve V.Z. means by it) coming up with your own answers to your own questions, and lettin’ other people know what you found out FOR YOU, then he may have a case.
    Let us just acknowledge that VERY FEW individuals, in ANY field, have been able to sustain a searing, incisive, authenticity, AND be HUGELY successful in terms of the kind of acceptance that brings lots and lots of money/sales – UNLESS THAT IS A PRIMARY GOAL. It is the nature of the ‘beast’ that as we become more profitable, there are more who want to profit by us or with us. THAT has often meant conforming to the models of COMMERCE/Capitalism, which is NOT about “rock and roll”… Even though rock and roll has ‘matured’ into being ‘smart’ about commerce/marketing in these times.
    Many business models are shifting toward sustainable, smaller forms of growth. If we each want the same thing, then we are easily directed and controlled along those lines. The values of what awaits us as a culture, are evolving NOW. One day we will recognize the ways in which commerce became the architect and designer of what we consider culture and what our collective participation has made powerful and valuable, or not. It’s an old paradigm. VERY, VERY old… So if we speak of Rock and Roll; in the 21st century, let us consider the size (of the illusion) of the “corral” some of us appear to be… happy in. Bucking and braying and imagining that something’s going on. It’s just the NEXT box to get beyond. If we each want different things, and contribute from the wealth of our individuality, our DEEP personal reservoir of Truth and Creativity, “rock and roll” WILL NEVER DIE… but it WILL CHANGE, and what it means to “Rock” WILL CHANGE the way of the “Changing Same”.
    … don’t sweat the small stuff.
    L I G H T to your hearts.
    |
    POST A COMME

  • http://www.themuggs.com Tony

    I have to say the mainstream radio has submarined rock n roll. There are great bands out there that only few people know of because the mainstream radio refuses to let them be known. Ulysses is one of many bands. Classic Rock Magazine seems to be the only credible magazine these days reporting on real rock bands. It’s the same old argument…most people are too lazy to look up bands that are great so they settle for whatever mediocrity the radio serves up.

  • http://www.dtguitar.com Aliengtr

    let’s face it, with shows like american idol which is a farce and it grooms formula crap, radio stations playing their hit lists of rehashed crap hourly, clear channel scum, and records labels especially the majors who are a dying breed. pathetic, who needs the record labels who just want to cash in on the latest thing and then move on,dropping bands like flys with a&r saps who fear getting fired if they dont the next 12 year old boy band and anyone who is 20 or older is “out”, so they get these poor saps who can hardly play , no one really and they they are unwilling to work on career development, they want something they can cash in quick and then get out. As they say, there would be no beatles, no led zepplin in todays record labelbusiness model. anyway, screw them all. I released 137 albums and am perfectly happy recording at home and I don’t give a damn about the record labels or the music business for that matter. I dont play to get or make money or to build a fanbase (oh my god!! get that guys email he may be a…………. FAN!!!!! my god my single is being downlioad get that guy he owesd me $.99 cents that mofo…..HURRRRYY!!!!!…haaha, gosh I need to show the record label my fan base list of potential record buyers)..man I need a street team now!!!!!!!)SCREW all that!! I play because i love it and if others do fine if they dont fine, show me a record label that actually gives a damn about the music not just the $$$$…yeah right….and show me one that sticks with their artists as in artist development ,yeah right…..I hate radio, I hate mtv and don’t want to be associated with the media and record labels as they are today. Anyway who wants to live out of a tour bus or for most a 1972 chevy van (white with some rust)For ten years I ran into nothing but scum in the music business and i am talking about companies not just people!basically, unless you are lucky as hell, everyone is out for themselves and only interested if they can make a buck,doesnt give a crap about any one else’s music and music quality is irrelevant, though I have to say I don’t give a damn about most people s music with a few exceptions……especially all the me too band wagon wannabe’s turd bands signed or not.be yourself and do something original ………dare ya

  • Chris

    I agree about the Classic Rock Magazine comment! they are the only magazine out atm who are not afraid to push unheard of rock bands instead of the over polished crap that we are all force fed! I read an article in this months issue on a band from UK called NEW DEVICE – OMG! I can’t beleive these guys are not on the radio all around the world!!
    http://www.myspace.com/newdevice

  • http://www.myspace.com/piratasdedios piratas de dios

    look… CNN, after all, is OWNED by Time Warner –as in Warner Music [doh!]– which means they are a part of the RIAA machine filing legal actions against at least 2 (probably 3) generations of music customers for downloading music they liked…so MP3.com died… but MySpace happened because young people who don’t have a lot of extra cash –because video games cost freakin’ $50+++ started getting their new 2.0 music for FREE like they wanted!
    MySpace– owned by Rupert Murdoch 20th Century Fox– is too busy as a corporate conglomerate instigating “tea-bag” revolutions to prop up their rag magazines and faux news organizations to even have an inkling of the vast amount of original talent that exists as pure tap water through their portal…
    the “music biz” is to music what the Republican Party is to politics, a dwindling fringe group grabbing desperately on to power to keep what they have… in the face of their own inevitable extinction due to their own devices… go figure dodo birds!
    thank you Tunecore for being an evolutionary phenotype of the next mutative disruptive technology evolution of the new music millennium!
    when people just strike a fair deal an entire industry can grow…
    diversity of original music (not American Idolized Karaoke contests) and diversity of listeners = a diverse market… if they love your music, they’ll support your band… no matter how famous you are!
    i don’t understand why the “music biz” just doesn’t get that equation…
    “but i’m not the only one…” ;)
    [just wait until they FAIL Tunecore, then you'll be able to buy Warner Records and Fox Video for cheap!!!!]

  • http://www.pendulumarts.com David Steele

    He is Absolutely right. NO ONE is buying music anymore. EVERYONE expects it for free. The physical CD and vinyl record are dead. This has nothing to do with bands sucking, but everything to do with the “desperation of getting heard”. Everyone needs to pull their music off of sites that have free downloading now! immediately! all artists/ bands collectively need to do this. This is killing this business. Music has become a free commodity. Myspace has contributed to the problem too. Everyone should only supply a 30 second sample of the song so people are forced to buy the music.

  • 4Track

    Typical of CNN (Comme News Network). All they really care about is Obama and political correctness. You sure can’t tell here in Athens, Ga. that rock is dead. Of course some of the bands here are just R.E.M. wannabe’s or Widespread disciples.

  • Miles

    Interesting debate, but I think many are mixing up what are really two separate issues: the state of the music business and the state of rock as a genre.
    Music always has, and always will, evolve, devolve, revolve, ebb and flow. Mourning “music that really rocks” sounds like my old uncle complaining, 40 years ago, “what ever happened to melody?
    He missed “Moonlight Serenade” and “Take the ‘A’ Train”; Van Zandt misses, what? “Mississippi Queen”? “Good Times, Bad Times”?
    Or is he mourning the rock of Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochrane, Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, Elvis…?
    That simplistic but energetic rock has seen resurgences, as will every style of popular music.
    As for the industry itself, the situation we’re in today — which is great for fans but terrible for anyone trying to make a living as a recording artist — is a direct result of the small-minded chase for dollars that splintered the radio landscape into the tiniest fragments imaginable starting in the 1970s.
    FM radio came into the mainstream in that era, and programming became specialized. So much so that today, I could easily listen to radio around the clock and never hear a song I hadn’t heard before. If I so chose. It’s all about the proven hits. So where can a new artist push out new music?
    Not the Internet, which depends on listeners to find you. TV, movies, commercials? Often touted, but tend to encourage a generic, palatable sound that’s far from individual expression in most cases.
    Bottom line, rock isn’t dead. Maybe it’s napping, but to expect it to remain as a static genre is foolish, and kind of senile, thinking. The music business is, however, foundering badly. It may have to sink entirely before it can be relaunched as something that makes sense for this century.

  • http://www.featherwheel.com Robert Seagrove

    I don’t know what went on on CNN and quite frankly who cares. Its only one man’s opinion. If we are going to view the Springsteen line up as great rockers thats also ones opinion and now you’re going to hear mine : They didn’t really rock anyway. I always assumed Springsteen stuff as rather “folky” not real rock. Southside Johnny and The Asbury Jukes are a different story though and if I reach back into my my mind I seem to recall a band called the Ashbury Dukes and rock does tingle a spot when I think about that name. I don’t know why I didn’t forget them. There are bands that can in fact rock and in case no one has heard Featherwheel is one of them. With a line up of keyboardist ex -( Uriah Heep, Bad Company, David Gilmour, Sass Jordan) drummer Randall Coryell. It was a tradgedy and shame when Featherwheel bassist Alan Affeldt was killed by a drunk driver two months after Featherwheel 1 was released to university radio. His “rock” bass playing ranks among genious. You bass players do yourself a favor and check him out. There was even one bootleg video made with Al jamming with Feahterwheel on youtube (Feahterwheel – Hoochie Coochie Man) where you can hear Al’s silky smooth bass playing.
    Cheers !

  • http://www.featherwheel.com Robert Seagrove

    I don’t know what went on on CNN and quite frankly who cares. Its only one man’s opinion. If we are going to view the Springsteen line up as great rockers thats also ones opinion and now you’re going to hear mine : They didn’t really rock anyway. I always assumed Springsteen stuff as rather “folky” not real rock. Southside Johnny and The Asbury Jukes are a different story though and if I reach back into my my mind I seem to recall a band called the Ashbury Dukes and rock does tingle a spot when I think about that name. I don’t know why I didn’t forget them. There are bands that can in fact rock and in case no one has heard Featherwheel is one of them. With a line up of keyboardist ex -( Uriah Heep, Bad Company, David Gilmour, Sass Jordan) drummer Randall Coryell. It was a tradgedy and shame when Featherwheel bassist Alan Affeldt was killed by a drunk driver two months after Featherwheel 1 was released to university radio. His “rock” bass playing ranks among genious. You bass players do yourself a favor and check him out. There was even one bootleg video made with Al jamming with Featherwheel on youtube (Featherwheel – Hoochie Coochie Man) where you can hear Al’s silky smooth bass playing.
    youtube.com/watch?v=CbCpzRHFoy8&feature=channel_page
    Cheers !

  • http://www.featherwheel.com Robert Seagrove

    I don’t know what went on on CNN and quite frankly who cares. Its only one man’s opinion. If we are going to view the Springsteen line up as great rockers thats also ones opinion and now you’re going to hear mine : They didn’t really rock anyway. I always assumed Springsteen stuff as rather “folky” not real rock. Southside Johnny and The Asbury Jukes are a different story though and if I reach back into my my mind I seem to recall a band called the Ashbury Dukes and rock does tingle a spot when I think about that name. I don’t know why I didn’t forget them. There are bands that can in fact rock and in case no one has heard Featherwheel is one of them. With a line up of keyboardist ex -( Uriah Heep, Bad Company, David Gilmour, Sass Jordan) drummer Randall Coryell. It was a tradgedy and shame when Featherwheel bassist Alan Affeldt was killed by a drunk driver two months after Featherwheel 1 was released to university radio. His “rock” bass playing ranks among genious. You bass players do yourself a favor and check him out. There was even one bootleg video made with Al jamming with Featherwheel on youtube (Featherwheel – Hoochie Coochie Man) where you can hear Al’s silky smooth bass playing.
    youtube.com/watch?v=CbCpzRHFoy8&feature=channel_page
    Cheers !

  • http://www.billchampitto.com/Blog Bill Champitto

    Hey Steve… kiss my ass. And the same to every label exec who ran their businesses into the ground. Steve and CNN are welcome to come to my performance and tell me to my face that my music lacks soul, heart or the ability to rock. After they finally pull my microphone stand out of their ass, these narcisistic bastards can start a club at an old folks home and complain about “the kids these days”…
    Time Warner and the labels are dead and CNN will be soon too.

  • http://www.quangly.com Quang Ly

    CNN and old record labels are the ones who are dead. That old media is so outdated. Their article was such a disservice to the arts.
    Long live TuneCore!

  • Carl

    Hey man thanks for sticking up for all those ppl out there creating great music! And thank you for providing a way to distribute to the masses without needing to win the Lottery to do so. I’m way stoked because my son’s band’s album just posted :) They’re having fun… icecreamparty, In All Its Splendor, 1st try at a CD, hopefully they’ll be able to continue, http://myspace.com/icparty

  • http://the17.org Future 17 Member

    I smiled when I saw that article on CNN.
    Aside from the debate about what’s marketable and what’s not, there’s nothing more conservative, redundant or safe than following the template of the rock band.

  • http://fly.to/usonia Douglas

    Being wordy about, nor implying fault, “music tastes” I learned in my efforts. New Age Voice was lauded on CNN also. Rock and Roll is a generation, or if you like a system generated, try ambient.

  • HB Beverly

    I notice everyone here is such an “expert” at knowing what real rock and roll is, and who can play a decent lead part. Tisk, tisk…. silly boys. It’s easy to sit back in your chair and criticize working professionals who’ve dedicated their whole lives (over 40 years in Van Zandt’s and The Boss’s case), and have seen ‘em come, and seen ‘em go over the decades. Meanwhile, all these young dudes go bang out their definition of what “real” rock and roll in some dive with all of maybe a hundred so-called “expert” followers to tell them they “really rock” until they have to retire, and start playing country, or Classic Top 40 because they don’t look the part of a young rocker anymore. It’s only then that you realize that these guys like Steve have the experience to know what they’re talking about when they make an educated comment on the state of the business. Been there – done that. Anyway, I agree with SVZ for the most part. MOst of what I hear these days has stupid lyrics, if you can hear them, and the music is intellectually repetitive and boring to people who’ve lived through and experienced what real rock can do for you. Rock may not be dead, but it sure is on life support, and is looking for a donor. Spoken by a proud Americana artist.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/soshush soshush

    So I AGREE WITH CNN – bands just don’t kick ass anymore! OK the DIY thing is great – and I’ve heard some amazing music from it – but it’s a parallel universe – whether a critical mass of disaffected music consumers will follow it enough to make the likes of NME and Rolling Stone really take an interest – don’t know.
    I’ve heard a lot of the likes of Coldplay, The Killers, Kings of Leon, Nickleback, etc recently – usually not through choice. Honestly, I’ve heard so many better bands just supporting us when we used to play little dives around Manchester.
    In the 60s, 70s, 80s and even 90s (with the Seattle and Britpop thing) bands that we really big were really really good. A whole load of service and marketing industries grew up to satisfy the interest in these genuinely great bands – those industries still need clients- but for some reason that I don’t understand A&R have for the last ten years have fed them sub standard candidates.

  • http://www.featherwheel.com Robert Seagrove

    In order to really rock you “have to suffer”
    (Gregg Dechert) and the longer that is done the deeper and purer the rock. Age has nothing to do with it and the old rockers are proving that. No suffering, no rock. For many years now we’ve had comfortable corporate record company dominance living off the ones they didn’t have to work for, A&R people who don’t notice their own stink and can’t wipe their ass let alone pick out true soul and grit rockers. Compare it to a big stupid, lazy, powerful, oppressive government, if you will. Scores of putting up with piles of winey little peepers with buzzy, brittle sounding crap that call themselves heavy metal bands, grunge bands and all the rest of the alternative junk. And rap, hip hop, oh boy, what a mess. This has been all force fed by whining, comfortable steriotyped corporate, retirees. Thats the long and the short of it. Hope they enjoy the rest of their stinking retirement because a large part of their lagacy is not very well respected here.

  • http://www.pendulumarts.com David Steele

    Why are you guys censoring Comments? You took down my last comment, hopefully you will have the balls to keep this up. I am no damn rookie at this as I have been a professional music/ jingle producer for the last 15 yeasrs and I have made some good money writing tracks for huge multi-national companies. Hence, my voice needs to be heard! The fact of the matter is this. Yes, Music is being “dumbed down” to pathetic levels. Amateurs who did not study any music theory and barely know how to play an instrument are now “Composers and Songwriters”. Give them garage band, acid, and reason and wow! They are making electronic music and are “music producers”!! Sorry guys, that is not how it works. YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO PLAY!! YOU HAVE TO HAVE MUSIC EDUCATION AND THEORY TRAINING!!!!!
    I gave on line selling of music a shot and from what I can see, the only people making any money from this new system is the middle man! i.e. Tune core, I-Tunes, Amazon. etc. You folks definitely need a staff of trained musicians to filter what is good, and what is bad and not focus soo much on getting as many artists as possible to pay $35 to up-load and sell their Album. If it isn’t good…don’t distribute it. That is why the, still very flawed, old school system of selling Physical records and CD’s works better. Because, at least there was a filter from some arrogant jerk at a record company around to ensure that only the great bands, singers, artists were released. We are now stuck with a bunch of free “average to bad” music that no one wants to buy. I recently asked 4 or 5 friends when the last time they paid money for music and they all said “no comment”. Guys…let’s face it…music is nothing other than a digital file shelved on the internet that is…well…worthless!!! Only the benevolent will actually pay.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/soshush soshush

    Loads of great bands didn’t have training and theory – some of the freshest and most influential music came from people who could barely tune guitars – punk, new wave, etc.
    What’s different now is that geniuses (when they’re hungry) don’t come up the ranks anymore (your McCartneys. Paul Simons, Bowies, Stings, Strummers, Cobains, Michael Jacksons, Dylans, Carol Kings, etc).
    My theory is that after the success of the Boy/Girl band and Pop idol thing the whole criteria by which bands get signed changed. I honestly don’t think a Bob Dylan would get signed today. He’d be hidden with the rest of us in the vast sea myspace.

  • http://www.featherwheel.com Robert Seagrove

    I think the point some of us are missing here is whether bands now know how to rock. No sufferage, no rock, no jazz, no blues, no country, no classical, no nothin. The learning the craft of playing no matter which way one suffers or achieves that is entirely up to the individual. There are many igenious players and composers which don’t have formal music training. Speaking for myself now I did study and suffered through music theory with the woman who wrote it, Barbara Warham, before her trajic death from cancer. I knew the whole bit upside and down inside and out because she wouldn’t settle for less and if you made a mistake she used a yard stick or a pointer as a meter and correction tool. I know my inversions, triads, scales, jazz like a calculator without a keypad yet I know genious and dedicated players and teachers whom don’t have this training and are stunning to listen to. The reason I did it was because I wanted to know exactly what I was doing and at a time when I was a hired gun guitarist making the equavalent of $4,000.00 a week it was a respectful thing to do. To some that isn’t much money but to most its a dream. Then I went and blew $300,000.00 on a recording studio and still spending. Oh dear ! Though like many or most much of my soloing is still off the cuff street smarts. As far a the A&Rs go, yes it would be great to see people in there that can actually recognize true genious and have some formal musical backboned bar that anyone being tried in their court and jury can truly respect the outcome but hey, unfortunately music is a jungle and its our part to make it better.

  • http://www.themuggs.com Tony

    I agrre with ‘soshush’ . Bob Dylan wouldn’t see the light of day in this present music market.Nor would Joplin. Can you imagine what they’d say to Janis? A&R, “No, really yer great, but….tell you what, get a boob job and loose some weight and why not get some plastic surgery on yer face. But really, you have a great voice.”
    It tears me apart because where are the real stars of today? You think Kid Rock is a star. He’s an entertainer now. Smoke and mirrors.
    I want the next Stevie Wonder or Ray Charles of our time. They’re out there. Thank god for Myspace. I know some people will disagree with me but frankly Myspace is a champion of ‘the little guy’ who can’t get signed so at the very least, one can hear what’s out there.
    The music industry has never been this bad ever. I urge you to dig deep and support yer local music scene. That’s where great things happen. Grassroots people.

  • http://marshallmitchell.com Marshall Mitchell

    Stevie ought to know….he’s been a big part of the rise and we’ve all seen the fall of “Rock” as we have come to know it. I hail from the “country” side but still appreciate good music, whatever the genre. Nobody, these days, can pull a riff even close to Dickey Betts or has the jam-ability of Greg Allman. Mainstream (what they call rock)is politically correct mush. Rock on…Hannah Banana!!!! Of course…just like Steven…this is MY opinion. Like it or not.

  • http://www.themuggs.com Tony

    In rebutal to Marshall Mitchell, check out ‘the Muggs’ from Detroit . They have some killer riffs you’ll want to hear.

  • http://www.cdbaby.com/fob2 Mackinents

    Lest those of us in this business of music forget, in these times that try our creative souls, this plague of payola and lack of creativity that permeates music, was perpetrated by the major labels.
    Creativity, being the driving force within music, filed for bankruptcy once technology and marketing were victorious in their self destructing coup of corruption, which raped this business of music of it’s legitimacy rendering it to no longer be an aural form of art.
    And it came to past…
    Cassettes replaced vinyl, digital replaced analog, computers replaced instruments and recording studios, marketing schemes replaced quality, payola helped to sustain their monopolies, as major labels reigned, totally oblivious to the fact that the proverbial creative bottom had fallen out of this business of music.
    Having fallen prey to malicious exploiters of creativity, people with no creative musical abilities, seduced and trapped in a short lived malicious orgy of debauchery which perpetuated assembly line production techniques, and shake-your-big-booty videos, this business of music, suffered a near fatal blow from the weapons of mass destruction-known as greed, known as the major labels.
    Hence, we are enduring a meltdown fueled by an avalanche of greed and recklessness, a meltdown much akin to the travesty currently ravaging our national economy.
    Why then, are the major labels allowed to maintain their status, why is it that radio, still discriminates as to whose product they will give airplay..?
    Why is it, that those ‘artists’, who really aren’t artists in a creative sense, still allowed to function in this business of music..?
    Now is the time for all ‘real’ musicians to come to the aid of this business of music…
    Suffering from severe creative deficiencies, this business of music sought refuge on the internet, the land of infinite possibilities, seeking to occupy a space of it’s own, and rid itself of the plagues caused by creatively devoid souls, biased playlists, and electronically enhanced vocals, music now feeds intravenously on the creative souls who lived in underground exile, in cyberspace.
    Cometh the Revelation…
    Hopefully, at this juncture, on the brink of total destruction as a creative art, this business of music has realized that music is aural, not visual, good music does not have to be packaged, these days, the more expensive the package, the more BS you get.
    Perhaps the music buying public and RADIO will take heed of this, as the major labels attempt to monopolize the internet.
    Now, the day of reckoning is here, repent, be enlightened and realize, music is about creativity, not smoke and mirrors and scantily clad dancers. This is not a business of gimmicks, but instead-a utopia of creativity.
    As the late great Sam Cooke said, “A Change Is Gonna Come”.
    Well change is here Baby, praying won’t help you, and all of those mergers will do you no good.
    Nevermore shall we forget that music is aural-not visual……….

  • http://www.kevinmontgomery.com Kevin Montgomery

    In response to David Steele’s comment ” YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO PLAY!! YOU HAVE TO HAVE MUSIC EDUCATION AND THEORY TRAINING!!!!!”
    I’m sorry David, but I’ve been a professional musician for 25 years. Both my parents were professionals. Pops wrote songs for Buddy Holly, and mom sang with Elvis.
    I’ve written songs for Martina McBride, and sing on Lee Ann Womack records…….and make my living as a touring musician.
    I don’t know chords, music, or any “theory” at all……..was like math to me, and didn’t see it as necessary.
    I can find any harmony, and sing it without it………taught myself how to play guitar, bass, drums, and piano………took one lesson on piano and decided it was too difficult to understand………so, I taught myself.
    If you watched U2′s Rattle and Hum documentary you will hear BB King himself tell the guys in U2 when they asked what key, or chords he was playing, reply, “chords, I don’t know no chords”
    While I agree that getting a musical education is a positive thing……..it absolutely is not a requirement.
    As for commenting on the post in general……….there are always going to be bands that get out there and work their asses off in the clubs and on the road………and you can hear it when they perform……….and then there will be those that sit at home in their bedrooms and create……….they might create something great there, too.
    You just can’t make a blanket statement like Mr. Van Zandt did. I’m a fan, but he made a pretty typical statement by an aging rock star……..I would imagine he isn’t exactly searching for new, exciting music on a daily basis………..and somehow processes this as “there ain’t no good music out there anymore.”
    There is good music out there…….you just have to find it.
    I’m guilty of that myself. I do 200 shows a year on the road, and when i’m rolling down the road during the day……sometimes the last thing you want to do is listen to music.
    So, Mr. Van Zandt………get on myspace or Itunes and get to searching……you will find something that excites you……if you try.
    Kevin Montgomery
    P.S. -Thank God for Tunecore……….they ain’t the middle man!!! They took the middleman out!!!!!

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p011570c286e4970b WOA

    Just check out WEIRD OLD AMERICA from NY NY. SLAMMIN rock n roll that sounds like it’s from the 70′s.
    br>http://www.weirdoldamerica.com

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p011570c286e4970b WOA

    and KATIE LOCKE & BULLET PROOF TIGER

    http://www.katielocke.com

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p011571adf35b970b 633 Music Group

    Ben Robinson is one of those artists. And thanks to Tunecore his music is available world wide. Thanks.

  • http://www.cradleocivilizashum.com jan civil

    I couldn’t agree more. Who made Van Zandt Judge Judy and Executioner anyway? .~)

  • http://www.cradleocivilizashum.com jan civil

    beebay, when I diss van zandt it’s because I played better at 17.
    and I’m not a boy. You’re kind of screwed when you’re not as far as being recognized, basically as one of the lads, in the music industry.
    Van Zandt is a mediocrity, he is employed by a mediocrity. These guys just don’t bring a lot of musical prowess to the table. They do have a posture which appeals to people looking for that particular wallpaper for the lifestyle image they want to convey to the people they want to have that idea of them, it isn’t more than a teeshirt to me.
    You bought the teeshirt, I wasn’t interested, I had more demands of music than that.
    You don’t top anyone with ‘… silly boys’, it’s a pose.

  • Eaglehat

    You guys finally distribute classical music? I thought you were giving up on that for the foreseeable future.

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