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This is very awesome post.I have read it whole and have enjoyed it.Thanks for sharing it.EnJoY!!!

Hi, It's the second time i'm posting you without a reply. I found your site using Yaehoo, does your site support firefox?

Thank the good Lord there are still people willing to address major issues and take the risk involved in doing so. (yes, I'm sure Jeff has taken considerable time and financial risk to deliver this product, and yes he will be rewarded justly, no doubt).

I worked at STAR TV in Hong Kong in the early days, just as MTV were being ditched from the platform by Murdoch to be replaced with his own music channel (Channel [V]). I suspect MTV themselves were hit with a carrier fee which they refused to pay- just guessing!

I look forward to utilising the product myself and tracking it's progress.
BR
Irvin
The Liberators

I would also add that in the early days of MTV, bands like the Chilli Peppers, Sex Pistols, and Metallica got zero airplay, and they all didnt give a sh*t. Of course, they made careers out of moving physical product, which is harder now, but not impossible.

You have to have some balls to be in a band and stop lying down and kissing ass. Being in a band means fighting the world on behalf of your fans and humanity. End run around the corporations..its been done before.

This same bullsh*t is going on in almost any creative product. I sold three stock photos through istock and guess what they pay, at best $1 per picture. Now they're getting into the audio business - wonderful. Of course they act all friendly about it. Needless to say, I'm not giving them any more of my photos, nor will i give them any audio. Artists have to make a stand and not just refuse to work with them, but eviscerate them and boycott them.
I can make more money selling cards, and playing live shows. if any my songs somehow make it onto a larger stage, then I will own every cent.
These lousy media companies deserve to be broken. The only good thing about the internet is its ability to bypass the monsters, and that part of it needs to be continually fostered through music sites. The power of th machine is strong. The artist or musician has to be strong enough to break through and hang on.
Maybe its impossible, but its better than giving your stuff away for nothing, and still not getting famous. Boycotts should definitely be part of the equation. A band can produce its own music and videos on a budget while working a job. Its much cheaper than it was. Those videos can include great content, content that attacks the system in an entertaining way.

Hi! A good forum, glad to join you :-)

@ George

Sorry, that metaphor was bad and wasn't conveying what I was getting at = \ I was referring to the fact that musicians aren't given much bargaining power, what Jeff is talking about, connecting the musicians directly to advertising rather than going through a gate keeper ('cause the industry has enough of them already) gives them the negotiating rights they should have. Many starting bands/artists sign deals with record labels with almost no power to negotiate the terms, giving the label a lot of power over someone elses creation/talent. ("All your masters belong to us!") But to be honest, it's partly the bitterness from experience that's speaking here.

@ Chapman
Absolutely agree to disagree! lol At the same time, perhaps our industry needs to see more marketing/business models in action. I actually half agree with what you're saying, but not fully. I don't give out any of my own music for free distribution, however, I do re-arrange popular songs in a similar style to my own and send some of those out for free distribution. So I guess you can say we actually partly agree. = )


Nice article. Can't wait for the new platform, Jeff. Sounds like a step in the right direction.

@ Lee

Oh no, you misunderstand what I'm saying. I think Jeff and Tunecore are doing a fantastic service. Whether I *choose* to charge for tracks is my business and yours as well. Though I have not gone through the exact TuneCore process yet myself, (but will soon with the completion of a record at hand) I have seen many tracks listed free of charge in iTunes. I downloaded a free track off itunes myself just this morning, by Company of Thieves.

Itunes (and other stores) are distribution muscle, that's for sure. That's how I see it - distribution of my promotional materials. I just may or may not *charge* for those promotional materials. Others may see that quite differently than I do. But that's the beauty of it - we all have a CHOICE instead of handing our lives over to the corporate label machine that most probably will waste it anyway.

@ Lee

"It's like someone picking the flowers from your garden and then making a living off of it. You grew those flowers, shouldn't you be compensated?"

The flaw in this argument is that musicians have lined up to give their music to the labels, MTV and YouTube. They didn't come by and pick anyone's flowers.

Exploiting someone requires their cooperation.

Traditionally, the only thing for sale at retail has belonged to the major labels. This might give the impression that the "public wants the filtering process the major labels offer," but there were no other choices.

If you were on a military base, you'd think that everyone loved the color green and denim had reached the end of its popularity.

We used to be told that Top 40 radio was what we wanted -- the same thing over and over. Then we got FM.

By their own press release information, the RIAA claims a failure rate of at least 90%. The RIAA sold fewer CDs in 2008 than 1982. The audience does NOT rely on the major labels' filtering process. The audience has rejected it.

What sustained the industry from 1982 to 2000 was everyone repurchasing what we already owned on vinyl. The industry is back at 1982, but this time, everybody that wants one now has a copy of The White Album.

The public is looking for new again and the RIAA has successfully classified their music as "illegal."

TuneCore came at the perfect time.

1 LOVE! I AM HAPPY TO SEE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE OR HAVE EXPERIENCED THE SAME THINGS THAT I AM FACED WITH ON A DAILY BASIS. IT TRULY REFRESHES MY "ARTISTICAL SANITY"! AS A NEW & UPCOMING MUSICIAN/ARTISTE, I'VE SEEN THE FOOLISHNESS THE RECOD LABELS EXPECT REAL MUSICIANS TO PUT UP WITH & I KEEP ASKING MYSELF: "ARE U SURE THAT U WANT 2 GO THROUGH THAT CRAP"? LIKE BOB MARLEY SAID: "IT'S NOT ALL THAT GLITTER IS GOLD"...
MUSIC COMES THE HEART OF
THE "MUSICIAN/ARTISTE", WHETHER IT'S "INSTUMENTALLY" OR "VOCALLY" PRODUCED/CREATED. THEREFORE I FEEL THAT THE ARTISTE SHOULD BE MORE INVOLVED IN THE BUSINESS ASPECT OF THE PROMOTION, MARKETING & SALES OF THEIR PRODUCTS. IT IS GOOD TO KNOW THAT THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE OUT THERE THAT IS ACTUALLY DEMANDING/AGITATING A CHANGE. I THINK THAT THERE IS UNLIMITED POTENTIAL, BECAUSE; NOW THE MUSICIAN/ARTISTE (PRESENTLY & THOSE IN THE FUTURE)CAN NOW BE PAID & MAINTAIN A HANDS ON CONTROL OF THEIR SALES. THERE ARE MUSICIANS/ARTISTES THAT ARE WAITING TO HEAR ABOUT THE EFFORTS THAT ARE BEING MADE TO SECURE THEIR FINANCIAL STATUS FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE MUSIC/ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY!

@ Chapman

You have to understand that touring cannot be the ONLY source of income for a musician. Not all types of music are the type to attract enough audiences for a big concert. Furthermore, not all band members are single, free-riding spirits, some have families to provide for. What Jeff is referring to is the fact that other people are supporting their families and themselves while the creator of the works they are exploiting isn't getting compensated.

Without the music you wouldn't have music labels, you wouldn't have MTV, and YouTube certainly wouldn't have the advertising dollars. It's like someone picking the flowers from your garden and then making a living off of it. You grew those flowers, shouldn't you be compensated?

@ Chapman

You have to understand that touring cannot be the ONLY source of income for a musician. Not all types of music are the type to attract enough audiences for a big concert. Furthermore, not all band members are single, free-riding spirits, some have families to provide for. What Jeff is referring to is the fact that other people are supporting their families and themselves while the creator of the works they are exploiting isn't getting compensated.

Without the music you wouldn't have music labels, you wouldn't have MTV, and YouTube certainly wouldn't have the advertising dollars. It's like someone picking the flowers from your garden and then making a living off of it. You grew those flowers, shouldn't you be compensated?

You have to remember there are two things at work here.

1) Bands typically make a majority of their revenue from ticket and merchandise sales at their concerts. This is true from the lowly bar band to national touring acts.

2) Bands seek labels for financial support in return for guaranteed distribution and promotion of their work. Why? See point 1.

The labels have succeeded in making themselves irrelevant in today's industry because they DO NOT guarantee distribution and do very little in terms of real promotion. Labels exist to rape 90% of their represented artists and exploit the other 10% to the extreme, just to keep the business afloat. They wink at the artist, say 'they're going places' and promise the moon. They front the dough for recordings (at exorbitant rates) and provide what they call "promotion" in return for owning the artist, their work and ANY chance of success. ANY money made is fed to the top 10% in their catalog in an effort to push the super-acts, the real money makers. Just like pimps who heavily push the pretty girls. Some contracts are now even insisting the labels get a cut of the ticket and merchandise sales - the traditional lifeblood of the band. Most "represented" artists never have a chance to make a dime.

With those odds, why even bother?

Terrestrial radio has done themselves in via a similar fashion, only promoting what the labels feed them - usually acts aimed at the 10-15 year olds of the world. Anyone over the age of 15 and with a brain rarely listens to radio anymore. (Sure, I agree there are exceptions of the handful of great INDEPENDENT stations around the country) No - radio and the labels have THEMSELVES driven consumers to seek music elsewhere. Since decent music is simply not available on the radio or tv, the avenue naturally expanded to the internet. Why? NOBODY CONTROLS WHAT YOU **CHOOSE** TO LISTEN TO.

And it's not really any different than it has ever been. Your peers influence what you hear. How many times have you heard a song in a friend's car or home and asked who it was? How many times have you sought records by artists purely based upon a mixtape a friend made you?

But even the great level playing field of the internet has its drawbacks. That's because it truly is LEVEL. When bands post their songs to myspace, facebook or any number of music sites out there, they are simply fooling themselves that it's going to get them the fame and fortune they dream of. That's because the internet is not a promotion tool -- It's distribution, silly. Recordings are your PROMOTION to get asses in the seats, where the money really lies.

So, I say make it free. Give it all away. Or at best, let consumers give what they want to give. It works - ask Radiohead about their recent sold-out tour. Did the method of distribution of In Rainbows help or hurt the daily revenue from ticket sales? Which made them more - the tour or the record? My money is on the tour.

Represented artists rarely make a dime in return for a record anyway. Why not make the records and give them away? The cost to produce a good recording simply pales in comparison to the cost of 'traditional' advertising and promotion, whose effectiveness is sketchy at best. Internet distribution has a cost of next to nothing. And it sure beats the hole you'll be in if the label fronts the dough. As an artist, I'd rather pay the ACTUAL cost for a record, maintain control over it and get it potentially in the hands of ANYBODY willing to listen. If 10% of those folks show up to a gig, that's the real payoff.

Think about it.

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