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October 09, 2008

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I think the idea here is to do things smarter than in days past. You don't just "hop in the fan" and hope for the best. You have to have your ducks in a row, playing great local shows before touring regionally, aggressively networking on myspace/face book and, I like what soshush said, why not spend a little on marketing to create the "buzz" people are looking for? Bottom line: myspace can't ever replace the thrill of seeing a band live, meeting the musicians etc. I think you just have to be smarter about touring...you need to run a tight ship, on the business side, so a tour doesn't hurt you more than it helps you.
~Aron
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One thing that's important to remember here... make sure you don't suck before you go on tour. You should be certain that have talent first and foremost before you tour. Do people in your hometown constantly tell you "you're gonna make it," "don't give up" etc? You should really think about this before you invest in a tour.

I highly appreciate your tips and encouragement. I regard them as roadmap into the musical industry. I am going through them and digesting them, I will fully utilize them as soon as I start generating some fund with your help. I am sure we shall do a lot of talking over time and we shall do a lot together accordingly.

Let the communication remain open therefore.

Thank you.

Absolutely. I agree 100%. Who cares if you have a million friends on any social networking site if you don't tour? Live is where the connection happens. Period.

I'm in the same boat as Professor Kliq: a one-person wizardtronic outfit that's got the not-insignificant hurdle of putting together any sort of live act at all, to say nothing of taking it on the road. I agree that solitary-geek-with-laptop performances just don't work in terms of audience involvement, but sometimes it's hard finding the right people to put together live versions of your material. Even modest goals like mine (a stand-up electronic percussionist and a second keyboardist, with either or both contributing vocals) can be hard to reach, especially if you're playing an obscure subgenre in a relatively low-population area.

That said, having come FROM a traditional analog-instruments-and-live-shows background before going (almost) all digital, I can vouch for the advice in the article. Today more than ever before, a band venturing beyond local venues for the first time has to get everything about a tour just right in order for it to make any money (or just break even). Wasting gasoline, spending too much on food, running out of merchandise...any of these things can slide you into the red so quickly you'll never know what hit your bank balance.

Still can't wait to start doing it again, though!

As an electronic musician, putting on a show is next to impossible, done by one's self, at least to any degree of entertainment. Otherwise, you'd hardly know the difference between an electronic musician and a DJ - and I'm of the the firm belief that there is and should be a very pronounced and obvious difference.

I'd like to see an article talking about different ways and methods for electronic musicians to do this: and no, not just standing in front of a Macbook with Ableton and pointing and clicking.

I did read the article though. That's a big help, but I have to jump the hurdle of the previously mentioned, first.

I used to be in a band, who after expressions of interest from a few record companies did a little tour – at the weekends hiring a van and sleeping in it.
It’s a nice romantic notion of what a band should be about but an utter waste of effort. Despite trying everything to promote gigs you usually ended up playing in front of other bands and paying for the privilege.

Besides - we grow up and get good careers - should that exclude us from making and wanting to sell music?
I put an advert on face book the other day for £50, as a result ¼ million more people now know our name and over 300 more have played our music when it sounds its best – i.e. recorded in a studio – who needs touring!

doubleagame, I can't help but notice that you're basically restating what the article said... you obviously aren't going to go on a national tour when you've just recorded your first demo. That's why it talks about only renting once you've outgrown the suv and the shitty van. it also isn't addressing where you're playing, if its regional, national, whatever... its saying once you've outgrown your hometown, how to approach getting out to some other cities.

i thought this had some good ideas, and i definitely agree that bands shouldn't abandon good old fashioned touring. i've been playing around for 15+ years, and i hate that touring has become such a 'its too hard' idea.

i agree with bobbyperu that social networking has replaced concerts for finding new bands, but i like the point in the article about using social networking to connect with other bands to basically mooch shows, and therefore crowds, from them. i've tried that a few times around the southeast, and so far its been decent. it at least gets me out somewhere new.

Of course I'm not getting my hopes up that Rick Rubin is gonna be at a show and decide to give me a million bucks... That IS like winning the lottery.

But i agree with the basic idea here... we shouldn't abandon touring as a way to get out there and make fans.

Yes, I agree with Bobby Peru. Renting a van is not a viable option for an indie band. Neither is just hitting the road when you don't create demand beforehand. Bands would do well to play first locally, then regionally, and finally nationally and internationally. Some bands/artists can maintain a career in one town, or online exclusively. It surprises me that I'm finding such a naive and generally misguided post on Tunecore, which I regard as one of the top sites for indpendent artists.

I never got past the first sentence. I don't think I need any "touring tips and opinons" and I certainly don't need anyone "hepling" me. Re-write and I might give it some thought.

Gasoline prices have made touring for most independent bands prohibitive. Right now unless you have unlimited time for social networking, the crowds that are showing up to shows are thin. There is a general apathy toward live music unless it has some type of buzz/hype around it, at least in America. People aren't going to shows to discover new bands anymore, they are going to Myspace, Ourstage, iLike, etc. 4 Years ago it was much different. Also your advice about renting vans is incomplete as it typically costs $200 to rent a van for 1 day if you plan on crossing state lines. The story at the end of the article is sensationalized and only disillusions people. The scenario you layout happens like people win the lottery. There is also a general disrespect from promoters, because there are so many bands trying to tour. The bands I encounter that tour in general, most doing 40-100+ shows a year end up with 10% of their shows cancelled, because of LAZY promoters who double book, get lame locals who don't bring anyone, don't put up flyers etc.


I think in this day and age you're silly if you're not taking a video camera. Getting footage and creating content on the fly is almost as important as the gigs themselves.

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